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To 9:52 am poster wrote on Apr 17, 2008 8:26 PM:

" I guess it's that old saying - "it's in the eye of the beholder". Moore always bully's his way to get to the facts with people he knows wouldn't bother to talk otherwise. For example, Roger Smith in Roger and Me. He never would have the chance to talk to a butthead like that if he didn't take that approach. Same thing with Bush and Cheney in that movie. Again, getting back to my first sentence, I don't believe Moore is the one looking foolish as you say. He's simply taking scoundrels like that and making fun of them. In my opinion because of what THEY said or did, and it was well deserved. Thanks for your opinion though, you just might have a chance at being a film critic like Jimmy... "

To 10:56pm wrote on Apr 17, 2008 9:52 AM:

" I was being truthful when I stated my ignorance regarding Hestons comments. From your post, I assume it had something to do with Clinton and younger women? I guess until I understand the context, what exactly was said, and whether it was said to him or about him, I will have to reserve judgment on whether it was disrespectful. And, again, I believe Moore left this encounter in the movie because he truly believed he came off just fine, although it was obvious to me he came off as a meddlesome bully. Heck, most of Moore's entire movies are him making a fool of himself, so why would he remove one scene where he does so? "

To 8:50 am poster wrote on Apr 16, 2008 10:56 PM:

" Your right, we must disagree. You think Moore came across as foolish and I believe Heston did and that's why Moore left it in his movie. He wouldn't have done it otherwise. I doubt your really "ignorant" with Heston's comment about Clinton and "America's 21 year old daughter's". If your a Heston fan I'm sure you remember that. It was a disrespectful comment to a sitting President and you know it. Heston could be a fiery speaker in public and it's been said that he wasn't like that in private. But there's a time and place for everything and that wasn't the time or place for a comment like that. To me, that made Heston look foolish too. (and disrespectful). But this thread is about Heston and the NRA. This is how I remember him. "

To 9:08pm wrote on Apr 16, 2008 8:50 AM:

" I am afraid we will have to agree to disagree. Moore, just like you, was simply probably oblivious to how foolish he came off. However, I must confess my ignorance regarding one thing: What comments did Heston make regarding the President? And which President? "

To 8:41 am poster wrote on Apr 15, 2008 9:08 PM:

" Yea right... Sorry, I don't agree. Besides, It was Moore's movie. He wouldn't have left it in if it was the way you think it is. Heston was an old man gun nut and the movie exposed him for what he really was. He was a flip flopper from the sixties who changed his tune when he got attention for doing so. I encourage anybody to watch it and come back hear and report. Besides, Heston lost all of his dignity when he made his disrespectful comments about the President of the United States. "

To 9:30pm wrote on Apr 15, 2008 8:41 AM:

" He went back into his house because he was embarrased at what a fool Moore was making of himself. It was his way to allow Moore to keep at least some of his dignity. "

To 8:29 am poster wrote on Apr 14, 2008 9:30 PM:

" If you watched the movie, Heston went slinking back into his house without answering Moore. What were YOU watching? What a pathetic old gun nut. Interesting that he was for gun control in the sixties but then turned all conservative because of Reagan. Hard to believe he ever got to be President of the NRA. I believe he was once contemplating running for office. Thank God he never ran for President of the United States. "

To Heston wrote on Apr 14, 2008 8:29 AM:

" Seriously? I think most would agree it was Heston who made a fool of Moore. What were you watching? "

Heston wrote on Apr 14, 2008 7:01 AM:

" I'll always remember him as the fool Michael Moore made of him in his movie. What a pathetic old man. "

Michael Welch: We Are SO Lucky We Shared Their Planet!... wrote on Apr 12, 2008 11:58 AM:

" Heston was a fine gentleman albeit often querulous and moreover a VERY GOOD motion picture actor. He was of course retired and as the late Richard Widmark's wife remarked at HIS death on March 25 'It was a shock of course but he WAS 93.' (Heston was 84.) Consequently their artistic lives were indeed 'over' and so we the public had already 'lost' them but for their body of work and both actors have left us substantial work, some fine, some an attempt, some remarkable. Their families will miss them; we didn't know them that way but for us they never die -- just slide in a DVD. We're lucky that way and I honor Dick Widmark, director Jules Dassin, screenwriter Abby Mann and 'Chuck' -- all passed on in these last few weeks to that greater 'guild,' that Olympian and truly immortal Hollywood... "

Maybe Now wrote on Apr 11, 2008 9:24 PM:

" We CAN pry that gun out of his hands. I say good riddance! "

Michael Welch: Back To Praising Chuck The Artist... wrote on Apr 8, 2008 12:58 PM:

" Last evening I watched 'The Greatest Show On Earth' again, as my own 'tribute' to Chuck; and again it was a VERY enjoyable film. Chuck was 'just right' of course; also it has the bubbly Betty Hutton (SHE has TOP billing by the way), the wry sexy Gloria Grahame, Jimmy Stewart as 'Buttons' the clown who is a doctor who mercy-killed his wife and has 'run away and joined the circus' and thus it's an absorbing story with loads of 'human interest.' Now the director (who LOVES to 'break' into the action with 'intermissions' of sorts in which he describes to you the 'circus world') was C. B. DeMille, rabid right wingy anti-commie who suspected Hollywood Jews were all at work for Uncle Joe -- Stalin that is. So? as Dick Cheney would say -- SO: an artist can have repulsive ideas and yet BE an artist!... "

Kent Remmer wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:18 AM:

" You smelly apes can have my opinion when you pry it out of my cold dead lips. "

To Bob Wateski wrote on Apr 8, 2008 7:00 AM:

" Reading your post and your article in the paper today I'll bet you think that your so called right to carry a gun is more important than the economy. Yes, if you want war for another hundred year's in Iraq vote for John McCain. John McCain is too old to be elected the leader of this country. And Bob, I'll bet your for term limits too aren't you? Except when it comes to Republicans. If you are/were we wouldn't still have McCain hanging around running for President after all these year's. "

Dear "Bob Wateski" wrote on Apr 8, 2008 5:04 AM:

" Where do you live that you have such an extreme sense of fear? I've lived in many parts US and global in all types of neighborhoods and I've never felt the need for a gun to feel safe or shoot bad guys. I think you watch too much TV and movies. If we let every doofus who now holds a gun carry it in public we'd disintegrate into Somalia or Haiti in a few weeks. Your idea is nutty......and now we can take Charlton's gun from his cold dead hands. "

Heston wrote on Apr 7, 2008 10:37 PM:

" was NOT my President. To Bob Wateski: I see your another gun nut. No wonder you liked Heston. Why do you need to carry a gun for your protection? "

DJ: wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:35 PM:

" Jimmy, your third paragraph renders your whole piece irrelevant! We all know he was one of the greatest actors alive. What you fail to understand is the fact that outside of the glitz of Hollywood, he had real character. Not the sullen unintelligible mutterings of a Sean Penn or the "I'm leaving the country" threats of an Alec Baldwin. Real character. You can not separate him from his outside life. You can try, and you can ignore it, but.... well, his legacy speaks for itself. "

Eddie wrote on Apr 7, 2008 6:08 PM:

" For me, "Soylent Green", "Planet Of The Apes", and especially "Ben-Hur" are the films for which I remember Charlton Heston the most. "Ben-Hur" is one of my all-time favorite films. Years from now, I think Heston will be remembered much more for his films than for his political activity (which wasn't really that remarkable). I hold no ill will towards Heston at all for his political stances, even though I disagree wtih them. Like every other American citizen, he is/was entilted to his opinions. "

Bob Wateski wrote on Apr 7, 2008 5:39 PM:

" I for one will remember Mr. Heston for his quote of "You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hand." I don't think anyone could even do that now. It sure will be nice to get rid of Doyle so the people of Wisconsin will have the right to protect themselves. Almost every state has conceal carry except Wis and 1 or 2 others. Time to get the right and be able to protect ourselves legally against the crooks who don't care about the law. "

Helen Gohn wrote on Apr 7, 2008 5:24 PM:

" I'm shocked, folks--shocked!--that "El Cid" was passed over for mention. On the other hand, I'm not at all surprised that all the gun nuts can't pass up the opportunity to share their vigilante fantasies with us. For the record, we have three guns in the house, and I would not think twice about using them to defend myself and my family. In fact, I may well be taking a handgun course in June. But we will *not* be safer if everyone's packing like it's the Wild West. An armed society is not a polite society--just take a stroll through the inner city if you think differently. "

Texas Jess wrote on Apr 7, 2008 4:58 PM:

" Starfish-you make me so very angry!
"

Starfish wrote on Apr 7, 2008 4:39 PM:

" ON a local level, I suppose we can remember Charlton Heston as part of the movie promotion team that left the Ten Commandment monument in Cameron Park, albeit as a faux tribute to the brave men who fought the flood.

OR we can remember him as the foil that, for many, ended Michael Moore's career, showing Mr. Moore to be ruthless enough to go after a target suffering from Alzheimer�s disease.

To me, though, aggravating ol� Starfish, he�ll always be the actor that played the 2nd best Moses behind Mel Brooks. "

To NRA wrote on Apr 7, 2008 4:25 PM:

" Some people are not comfortable carrying a gun. Which is why the law should leave the choice up to the individual. If you don't want to carry a gun, you shouldn't have to. But, you should be able to if you wish to. "

Liberal and Liberty derive from the same latin root wrote on Apr 7, 2008 3:55 PM:

" Posters should actually look up the definitions of words they banter about so fluidly. Heston turned wrong during "Nam.....and was wrong ever since. He should have stayed liberal, it is the bloodstream of our nation. Politics aside he was in many memorable movies.....so....not really a big deal. He didn't save or change anyone's life.....he simply amused us for a few decades. - looking west "

To 12:08pm wrote on Apr 7, 2008 3:10 PM:

" I believe it was clear that soylent green was offering an opinion regarding the movie. On the other hand, Jimmy begins his sentence with "Although....."...then goes on to state his opinion about the NRA as if it was a point already proven or at least argued by him. "

Tess Trueheart wrote on Apr 7, 2008 2:54 PM:

" Nice one. Don't remember George Washington for being the Father of this great country, remember his for the scant number of slaves he owned. I'll remember Chuck Heston for standing up for individual freedom, standing up against the man, poking holes in the straw man of liberalism. As Ben Franklin, you might have heard about him in Journalism School Jim, stated, "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." I, and Chuck Heston, will stand for liberty, you Jim, obviously, will not. There was a German socialist leader in the 1930's and '40's who could teach you a lesson. "

NRA wrote on Apr 7, 2008 2:50 PM:

" If you were about to be victimized by a violent criminal, would you feel more comfortable with or without a gun? "

To To Soylent Green wrote on Apr 7, 2008 2:47 PM:

" It was in the wording and context. Jimmy phrased his opinion about the NRA like it was a given. "

Starfish wrote on Apr 7, 2008 1:55 PM:

" "A blog where Starfish doesn't anger anyone"

Oh, I'll find a way. . . "

Michael Welch: Chuck As An "Older" Liberal... wrote on Apr 7, 2008 1:46 PM:

" Heston was a political man, once liberal then conservative by the times, and in that he reflected a certain 'movement' from the 1930s to the 1980s. Artists are sometimes not 'intelligent' about their choices -- Ezra Pound for Mussolini; the great philosopher Martin Heidigger for Hitler; Knut Hamsum the most revered Norwegian writer of the 20th century backed Hitler even in the face of Germany's invasion of Norway in 1940. Chuck disliked the '60s as a 'revolutionary' period which questioned and reinvestigated the shibboleths of US history; he preferred an older, more comfortable, 'liberal' view really that stopped maybe with JFK's 'Ask not what you can do etc.,' but never got to his groundbreaking American University speech in June 1963... "

Question wrote on Apr 7, 2008 12:11 PM:

" Does anyone know if he believes in evolution and abortion rights? I suppose believing in the first makes it easier to justify the second. Anyone? "

to Soylent Green wrote on Apr 7, 2008 12:08 PM:

" I don't see where you back up your OPINION that Soylent Green is an all-time classic. Where is your proof for such a FACT? How do you back up your OPINION that Gillman got his dig in assuming that if he made it subtle "everyone would automatically accept it with no arguement"? Seems like you are assuming that there will be no arguement about Soylent Green.
If everything we say or write must be accompanied by proof, there goes the art of conversation! "

George Taylor wrote on Apr 7, 2008 11:47 AM:

" "Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape!" "

Michael Welch: Two Hundred Pounds Of "Chuck" On The Hoof!... wrote on Apr 7, 2008 11:22 AM:

" I think Heston was a fine intelligent man and a very good actor. In the 1950s and '60s he was 'liberal,' joining Sidney Poitier, Marlon Brando, Burt Lancaster, Paul Newman and others in the 'March on Washington' in August 1963. He, like Frank Sinatra and other 'cold war era' Hollywood Democrats, became estranged from the party as a number of its prominents turned against the Vietnam war; by 1972 he voted for Nixon because, he said later, '"America" is not spelled with a "k"!' -- i. e. 'Amerika.' My favorite Heston roles, really, are as 'Brad' the tough circus boss with a heart of gold in his first DeMille pic 'The Greatest Show On Earth' and as the perplexed but loyal ranch ramrod in William Wyler's underrated 'cold war western,' 'The Big Country.' Chuck was an intelligent if irascible gentleman of Hollywood -- I liked him a lot... "

Refreshing wrote on Apr 7, 2008 11:19 AM:

" Finally a topic where all of our usual colorful and conflicting personalities can just have a good time laughing and reminicing. I see a blog where Michael Welch amd Johnny Hobo can share common ground. A blog where Starfish doesn't anger anyone. A blog where Brian G Smith and Phil O' Bates can share a laugh or a tear. "

Harsch wrote on Apr 7, 2008 10:14 AM:

" Will Penny is my Heston favorite. As for the guns, consider that his fame made him a good front man for the NRA. As an actor he was better in his arena(s) than Arundhati Roy in the writing arena--but she is using her fame and money for good. "

Texas Jess wrote on Apr 7, 2008 9:44 AM:

" My memories of the great Charlton Heston will forever and always be his horror at discovering soylent green was made of people. "

Soylent Green wrote on Apr 7, 2008 9:24 AM:

" "Soylent Green is people!" An all time classic. BTW, Jimmy, I have got to hand it to you. You got your little dig in about the NRA(not seeing the forest for the trees). You present that opinion as a factual statement, then move on like everyone just would automatically accept it with no arguement. "

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