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 Jimmy Gillman

Published - Tuesday, April 08, 2008

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All right then, let’s talk NRA

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Since many readers of yesterday’s post chose to discuss the relative merits of the NRA rather than Charlton Heston’s 50 year film career, we might as well have a full-blown discussion about the gun industry’s premier lobbying group.

First, however, I should set the record straight. Contrary to what some readers concluded -- that my swipe at the NRA makes me someone who doesn’t believe in gun ownership -- let the record show that I am not against the personal ownership of guns. In fact, I am a gun owner. But while I wholeheartedly believe that Americans should have the right to bear arms, I do not believe that right extends to any and all kinds of weaponry anymore than I believe the right to free speech allows one to say absolutely anything without consequence.

I do not believe people should be allowed to own assault rifles, bazookas, RPGs, machine guns or any other weapon that poses an increased risk to society. My criticism of the NRA is rooted in that organization’s total and complete unwillingness to go along with or support any legislative restraint when it comes to owning guns. My assertion that the NRA often misses the forest for the trees, an opinion shared by millions of Americans, is based on the fact that the organization, like all lobbying groups, has not always done what’s in the best interest of the country.

My attitude towards the NRA doesn’t make me a communist or a Leftie or someone who’s failed to learn a lesson from the events of Nazi Germany, as one commenter put it -- a lesson I know only too well as a Jew. Instead, I think my attitude shows that I am someone who is simply being reasonable when it comes to the issue of gun ownership, something the NRA is not, nor has ever been.

Be that as it may, what do readers think? Should Americans be able to own guns without limit, or should there be some restrictions on the types of weapons they can possess?
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The NRA wrote on Apr 17, 2008 7:13 AM:

" is this country's fourth largest political party. "

Bugs to 3:54 pm wrote on Apr 10, 2008 7:50 AM:

" Excellent post. It all comes down to secret societies moving us towards a New World Order. The Freemasons, Skull and Bones, and the Illuminati. Nonsense you say? Just look on the back of a dollar bill. "

to Starfish wrote on Apr 9, 2008 3:54 PM:

" There are black helicopters. The micro chips will be in your hand, arm, or forehead. And an armed populace is not easily swayed by the wants of the UN-New World Order people. Both political parties are infected with these "enlightened" or shall we say "illuminated" ones who have special access to things like the CFR. We also now have Supreme Court Justices that think they should judge cases based on what "world courts" are saying. The conspiracy to control the world populations is real and one of the last refuges against it is an armed populace. Remember that Hitler became increasingly more evil once gun confiscation was enacted. "

Starfish wrote on Apr 9, 2008 9:38 AM:

" Actually, 8:40, it was HonestAbe that kind of answered my question, acknowledging the fact that regulations that ARE in effect for certain armaments and, while not appearing to LIKE it, accepting it to some degree. 9:16, by my reading, was the typical ranting of the Black Helicopter Crowd, fearing some weird global conspiracy that wanted to put microchips in our butts. I have no problems with weapon ownership, but I do like to see automobile-type registration/licensing in place which, for the most part, it is. The big problem, then, becomes trusting our government--hard to do in light of the Patriot Act. "

To Starfish wrote on Apr 9, 2008 8:40 AM:

" It looks like your question was answered by the 9:16pm post. I should be able to own what I want, and as long as no one bugs me there is nothing to worry about. "

So Sartfish wrote on Apr 9, 2008 6:07 AM:

" How do you feel about the Patriot Act. "

Richard Cranium wrote on Apr 8, 2008 10:28 PM:

" To Jimmy: I was at a point where I was getting a little disillusioned with your Clinton bashing and was considering not reading nor posting here anymore. In my old age I'm trying to keep more of an open mind. I'm also getting a more profound respect for you and your writing everyday. You have an uncanny ability to inspire some thought provoking responses. Keep up the good work. We've also had some good discussions regarding concealed carry under the "Why are fabrications on the rise" and "How should the contest be decided" threads. "

I need an "assult weapon" wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:16 PM:

" The second ammendment was about ensuring that the citizens had the firearms available to repell an over reaching government. If the government sends the Army, Marines, National Guard or some UN troops to enforce some kind of totalitarian rule, I want the same kind of fire arms they use to repel them. That being said, the word "assult weapon" deals with cosmetics and most people have no clue what the difference is between automatic and semi-automatic. "

HonestAbe wrote on Apr 8, 2008 3:45 PM:

" It isn't legal for anyone to own bazookas and machine guns, you'll never buy them at walmart, that is just hilarious that that is the argument used for legislating them.

There are many many military buffs out there, and some still have military weapons as a collectible, now, yes, they could fire, but they're in his collection to admire, not use.

These buffs need a classIII permit to own machine guns and bazookas, the ATF can come to your home any time to inspect. That is legislated enough! Stop the ban mentality, , , buying a bazooka at walmart, what are you thinking? LOL "

Eddie wrote on Apr 8, 2008 3:37 PM:

" The NRA is no different from the ACLU, PETA, NOW, or most other national organizations that wield political influence. They all have lots of well-meaning citizens as members, but they are also infected by corrupt leaders, who have conflicting and self-serving agendas. If members would hold their leaders accountable more often, then these organizations wouldn't become so demonized by the general population. "

Starfish wrote on Apr 8, 2008 3:28 PM:

" So if I want to buy a shoulder-launch Stinger missile, capable of taking down an aircraft, I should be allowed to? (Can you imagine what THAT would do to a feral cat, Ernie?) Nuclear weaponry, I'll assume, is out of the question although you imply that it's "my weapon, my choice." Assault rifles! Puh! Pissant! Do I get to buy an Abrams tank if I can afford it? I just need approval before I cut a deal, here. "

Texas Jess wrote on Apr 8, 2008 1:00 PM:

" Yes, I almost forgot about the gun thing. Starfish, I just get sooo angry when I read your posts that I lose my train of thought. (: I agree with the first poster and with your 10:48am responder. Hey, one of these days we will find something we agree on!
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10:48am to Starfish wrote on Apr 8, 2008 12:42 PM:

" You are correct. Limiting amounts or types of weaponry is an exercise in futility. I can't do anymore damage to you with 2 or 3 assault rifles than I can with a handgun. My weapons. My choice. "

Starfish wrote on Apr 8, 2008 11:47 AM:

" To 10:48 AM: Just so I know that I am not misunderstanding you: you believe that there should be no limitations whatsoever on the armaments that a citizen can own?

To 11:05 AM: now that you have THAT off your chest and have vented your spleen with respect to my "unreasonable and unyielding and non-negotiable" stances, did you have something to say about limitations on gun ownership or societal polemics? If it's any help to you: I'm fat and ugly, too. "

Michael Welch: My Cold Dead Hand... wrote on Apr 8, 2008 11:21 AM:

" Part of the assumption I think is that somehow owning guns 'protects' you against not only criminals ('Are you scared of burglers?' queries wide eyed Marilyn Monroe of Tom Ewell in 'The Seven Year Itch') but against uh your government, which when it isn't invading countries like Iraq may invade, say, the Waco compound. I can understand the old Alamo determination to 'take a few of them with me' sure, but it ain't 1776 Buckie and you ain't a-gonna 'win.' In the 1932 pre-FDR pic 'Gabriel Over the White House' William Randolph Hearst help write a proto-fascist political fantasy in which the army 'cleans up' the bootleggers and mobsters with tanks in the streets. But you just wanna plug Bambi you say? Not play Rambo or Trotsky at the barricades? No big deal; you're in the gov's pocket... "

Angry Ernie wrote on Apr 8, 2008 11:09 AM:

" I wonder...would a bazooka be appropriate for hunting feral cats? "

Angry Ernie wrote on Apr 8, 2008 11:08 AM:

" Ya know, I've always wanted a bazooka. I think it would be a great conversation piece. Like when I have friends over. Hey, Joe, how do you like my bazooka? And then Joe would no doubt ask for a demonstration. We'd go in back and blow something away. It would be soooo cool. "

Texas Jess wrote on Apr 8, 2008 11:05 AM:

" Oddly enough, Starfish, it is only the people who take a different position than you on these issues that you refer to as unreasonable and unyielding and non-negotiable. Pretty convenient, huh? "Hello, kettle? This is the pot..." Anyway, as an example, you are just as unyielding regarding abortion as those who believe it should be illegal. You believe it should be legal-and are unyielding in that regard. You believe evolution is a sound scientific theory, and you are unyielding in that belief. Yes, the people who disagree with you are unyielding in their positions. But so are you in yours. And anyone can direct words like unreasonable and simple-minded at those who disagree with them. "

To Starfish wrote on Apr 8, 2008 10:48 AM:

" What was wrong with the first posters suggestion? That seems yielding and reasonable. It would be up to each individual-no one would be forced to own a gun. What is unreasonable is you attempting to impose your morality on others. If you don't like bazookas or assault rifles, don't buy them. But don't tell me how to run my life. "

Jimbo wrote on Apr 8, 2008 10:29 AM:

" I hunt. I shoot guns. Hunting is my favorite time of the year. I would never give up my guns. Saying that, I also don't like the NRA.

They take it too far. They are absolutely nuts. Nearly every one of my friends hunts, and I have some friends in the conservation congress. They don't like the NRA, either.

-They have a rally in Columbine not long after the terrible school shooting.
-What does anyone need an assault weapon? What are you going to do with it?

The NRA filed suit against Campaign Finance reform legislation. They stretch the truth, and brainwash many during the political seasons.

God rest Charleton Heston, but I'd like to remember him as Ben-Hur than the NRA president. "

Starfish wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:48 AM:

" Our adversarial system of politics seems to breed unreasonable, unyielding, and non-negotiable positions. Today you take my bazooka, tomorrow you come after my hunting rifle: it’s a clear path for the simple-minded and we’ve seen it apply repeatedly in the dialogues on these pages—whether concerning Israel, abortion, infanticide, evolution, Iraq, etc. If there is one NRA mantra that really, REALLY roils me, though, it is: “When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns”—as though people are either good OR bad. There is no doubt that easy access to firearms can facilitate violence and there is no doubt that, say, heat-seeking missiles should not be available at WalMart. I don’t know where to draw the lines, but I know one thing: wherever I decide to, the NRA will be on the other side saying NO! "

My Two Cents wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:01 AM:

" What would be wrong with any American being able to own any kind of a gun they wish-as long as they don't use them to harm anyone? Really, it is silly to differentiate between the kinds of guns, isn't it? If Jimmy had a mind to, he could do just as much damage to me with the gun he owns as he could with a bazooka. I would be just as dead, right? "


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