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 Reid Magney
Published - Friday, May 09, 2008

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Barrett: "Fire Ron Kind"

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Today I interviewed 9/11 skeptic Kevin Barrett, who plans to run against U.S. Rep. Ron Kind, D-La Crosse and Republican candidate Paul Stark, an Eau Claire-area homebuilder.

I asked Barrett about controversy in the Libertarian Party about his candidacy:

"The majority of them seem to favor it. There is a minority that is upset about it because I’m known for my participation in the search for the truth about 9/11 and the investigation, and that’s a very emotional issue, so there are a few people who are very unhappy that I’m associated with their party. But the majority is very much in favor, I think.

There may actually be a Libertarian primary, because the people who are objecting to it are being told, well, find another candidate. It would be great. I would love to travel around this district debating issues with another Libertarian candidate."

I asked if Tomah mayor and Libertarian Ed Thompson might run against him.

"If Ed Thompson runs against me, I’ll vote for Ed. He’s a supporter of mine. He’s been on my radio show a number of times. He actually came out and supoprted me when I was being attacked by the legislators and the governor.

He’s a big reason I’m running as a Libertarian. I’m also hoping Jesse Ventura will run for president as a Libertarian. He’s talked about that and we’ll know next month. He’s come out strongly in favor of the new investigation of 9/11 and he’s also talked about the obvious controlled demolition of the World Trade Center."

I asked Barrett about his top issues in the race.

"My top issue is the war on the economy. 9/11 simply accelerated the war on our economy that’s been going on for a long time. The military industrial complex has been waging war on the economy of the United States and the economy of Wisconsin, especially, since the national security state was created in 1947.

Wisconsin’s economy loses a vast amount of money every year in terms of military taxes that go to other states to pay people in other states to build fancy new ways of mass murdering people. Wisconsin has very little military industry so we are just about the biggest net loser in the USA on military spending.

The people of Wisconsin need to wake up and demand that we defend our borders rather than trying to pollute the world."

I asked how he would you characterize Ron Kind’s position on the war in Iraq and Afghanistan?

"I think Ron Kind’s voted for funding the war repeatedly. He also has voted for Patriot Act 2, and he voted for the Thought Crime Bill, HR 1955, which criminalizes thought.

He’s totally on board with doubling military spending after 9/11 and stealing all that money from the people of Wisconsin. He’s totally on board with these illegal, criminal wars of aggression. He arguabley could be tried for war crimes simply for voting in favor of illegal wars of aggression. He has no business in Congress.

He was even elected in 2006 to end the war, as were the other Democrats. They have failed us so we need to tell them, ‘you’re fired.’” He and the other Democrats and Republicans need to be fired, and many of them arguably put on trial for treason and crimes against humanity."

I asked him about Chip Denure, who ran against Kind as a Democrat in 2006.

"My brother knows him better than I do. I think I’ve spoken to him once. I hope Chip will help out and get on board. From what I hear, he’s a great guy. My brother used to live in Eau Claire and knew Chip and has great admiration for him."

I asked about other issues he cares about:

"There’s the war on the economy, and the correlaries of that are the war on the Constitution that has happened since 9/11.

They do tie in with the need to have a real investigation of 9/11.

I’m running on a save the Constitution platform. I think our country has drifted away from its Constitution, and we need to reestablish constitutional rule.

I asked for an example.

The most obvious one is it is the Congress and not the president that has the constitutional right to declare war. Not one drop of American blood can be shed in war without a declaration of war. Yet since World War II I forget exactly how many Americans, well over a million I believe, have died in these illegal acts of mass murder. They’re not wars, they’re illegal acts of mass murder.

Other examples would include the income tax. The income tax is profoundly unconstitutional and illegal and there’s a very strong legal argument that you don’t have to file."

I asked him if he files his taxes.

"I finally did. I quit filing several years ago when I learned about this. My wife kept badgering me (since we live in the Badger State I guess that’s OK) and finally this year she convinced me to catch up and file for all those back years, so we did. I wrote them a letter of protest, though, saying that I think this is all illegal and I’m going along with it because my wife insisted."

"Among the other issues I think are really important are I think we need to end the prison industrial complex. Right now the US is locking up far, far more people than any other nation, and we’re spending vast amounts of the taxpayers money to do it. We need to get our sentencing and our laws and practices in line with other countries and end drug prohibition. This could easily save us three-quarters of what we spend on prisons right now."

I asked if that wouldn't have other social costs.

"No. It would have great social benefits, treating drug problems as medical problems rather than criminal problems will greatly reduce the harm caused by illegal drugs.

I’m running as a New Libertarian. The Libertarian Party has gotten into a rut. There are really a bunch of good people with good ideals, but some of them carry it too far.

So as a New Libertarian, I’m arguing, for instance, we need to strengthen Social Security rather than privatize it. Also, I’m in favor of single-payer health care because I’m a fiscal conservative and it costs half as much.

I’m not saying like some Libertarians might, just legalize drugs and to heck with everybody and let them die in the street. I think we do need to take that vast amount of money that’s building prisons for them and trying them in court, and put some of that money into treatment."

I asked his thoughts on agriculture policy, something Ron Kind has been doing a lot of work on.

"Actually from what I’ve seen, I support Ron Kind’s position on agriculture policy. I haven’t seen any real problems there, although I’d add that I would like to see people exploring the possibility of growing hemp, possibly for biofuels among its many other uses.

Wisconsin used to be the leading hemp producer in the country, and then it was outlawed, primarily to help the chemical and paper industry, the pulp-forest paper industry, because you can produce four times as much paper with much higher quality per acre on hemp as you can with wood.

I think Ron Kind’s otherwise acceptable agricultural policies could be improved by an effort to bring back hemp for Wisconsin farmers."

I asked about the listening session Ron Kind is holding in Sparta on Monday that he plans to attend.

"I’m one of his constituents, as well as a challenger, so I do hope to listen to what he has to say. And when he’s taking questions I intend to ask him a couple of hard questions.

I talked to him about 9/11 three years ago. I gave him a copy of David Griffin’s book "The 9/11 Commission Report, Omissions and Distortions." He accepted it and said he would look into it. Yet, here he is still completely on board with this bogus war on terror and willing to live with high treason and mass murder and undending wars and the loss of our Constitution. I’ve given him three years and now it’s time to come after him."

I asked him about his background. He said he was born in Madison in 1959.

"My grandfather was the legendary principal and football coach at East High School. My dad is a two-time Olympic medalist, including a gold medal, in sailboat racing. I have devoted my life mainly to studying the humanities, studying and teaching the humanities, language and literature. My PhD is in African languages and literature with a focus on Arabic and Islamic studies.

I’m currently a radio host. I have four radio shows.

Barrett said he's married with two children, and his wife is a librarian.

"The campaign will be part of their home schooling. I’m actually the main homeschool parent right now, taking over from my wife in the past year or two."

Barrett said he doesn't know much about Paul Stark, the Republican candidate, who supports the "Fair Tax," which would replace the federal income tax with a flat consumption tax.

"I have mixed feelings on that. I think the income tax is illegal, rather unconstitutional. But I would be in favor of a consitutional amendment that would make the income tax what it was originally supposed to be, which is a tax only on wealthy people and corporations, not on ordinary people. But I’m opposed to a national sales tax. Sales taxes are the most regressive taxes around. They hit the poorest peopel the hardest and they don’t touch the richest people. I believe in fair taxation, even though I believe we should lower taxes. I agree with the Libertarians and Republicans we need to lower taxes, but we do need to finance some government activities and it should be the people that can afford to pay, and who are getting the majority of benefits of the government, who should pay for it.”
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Richard Cranium wrote on May 17, 2008 7:44 AM:

" To mk: Actually, David Ray Griffin has a book that is dedicated to debunking the Popular Mechanics debunking story. I will admit I haven't read it yet. I'll be working on another of his soon. Also, Bugs doesn't have to Google to get his info. From his posts I gather that he gets most of his information by reading books, journals, newspapers, etc... Most of the people on here aren't trying to force their opinions on you. Things in life can be very interesting though when you keep an open mind. "

Michael Welch The State Of Denial... wrote on May 16, 2008 12:17 PM:

" Actually the anxiety of having to entertain certain possibilities about the secret activities of one's government is enough to make some folks get hyper. The history of the United States is NOT an unbroken triumphalist pageant and what Americans have learned since the traumas of the '60s and '70s has taught them that. At the same time there are those who long for the image of steadfast righteousness -- only historical 'mistakes' made but well intended, never crass actions in the service of powerful, wealthy interests -- and insist on a certain purity that isn't there. We can easily recognize similar terrible actions by other countries' governments -- Hitler's, Stalin's, Mao's -- but many of us cannot permit ourselves to see what OUR government is also capable of... "

MK wrote on May 15, 2008 3:24 PM:

" Bugs heres a suggestion. Google 9-11 conspiracy theories and click on the popular mechanics link that debunks through science and lock tight evidence that all these theories are unfounded and stupid. I suppose the government and the Bush Administration supplied the scientists for this article too, to continue the cover up. "

Bugs to MK wrote on May 15, 2008 1:52 PM:

" First of all, MK, calm down. The thought that 9/11 was an inside job must be a real stressor to your world view. Now, as to the facts. There were power outages, whole floor shut-downs, and mysterious evacuations of the Twin Towers in the days preceding 9/11. That's when the bombs were placed. It's crucial to know that one of the people on the Board of Directors of the company that provided security for the towers was Dubya's brother, Marvin. Put two and two together, MK. Try reading a little David Ray Griffin before you go calling people names. "

Bugs to MK wrote on May 15, 2008 1:36 PM:

" Your faith in the veracity of the mainstream media is touching. It proves that the age of innocence is not dead. That's a quote from "JFK", the movie. "

MK wrote on May 15, 2008 12:18 PM:

" Lets say for a moment only a few people, hired by the government succeeded in taking out these buildings. It would have taken them quite a bit of time to plant explosives that remember would have to be unseen by roughly 50,000 workers employed in both buildings. Don't you think someone would have spotted them smuggling in the explosives? Don't you think someone would have spotted them doing their work? Why can't people like you except the rational explanations to problems. Stop spending so much time watching X-Files, The Matrix, and JFK and think for once using common logic. Why would the government forsake buildings worth billions of dollars and get us involved in a war costing thousands of lives and billions of more dollars for a vendetta? You people are morons. "

MK wrote on May 15, 2008 12:11 PM:

" Richard you need to use your cranium before you write such a ridiculous blog. First of all third world countries that employ torture prison have citizens you are regulated by and are deathly afraid of their governments. They do not live in the same free world that both you and I do. Second they don't have the media the United States has. Most media in these countries are regulated by the government so in no way shape or form would any of these stories see the light of day. As far as 9-11 is concerned, have you ever gone to New York or Washington DC? The twin towers were immense. If you can remember terrorists tried to bring them down in 1994 with large amounts of explosives and failed. "

Michael Welch Dont Be Naive... wrote on May 15, 2008 12:00 PM:

" Dismissing folks as 'out of your mind' simply excuses one from ever looking at the evidence. I've lived nearly six decades and one important revelation I've discerned about the nature of our federal government is that 'misleading' and manipulating the public causes very few consciences to flutter -- especially at the highest levels. Even someone who 'helps' them, oh like Ron Kind say, who foolishly believes what they tell him, though he be an exalted US representative is really just a pawn in their game. And as Jim Garrison (Kevin Costner) says in the movie 'JFK' -- 'There's a word Bill -- orders.' Like 'good Germans' the capable, practiced assassins and covert operators follow orders and NEVER ask 'Why?'... "

Bugs Raplin wrote on May 15, 2008 10:19 AM:

" Good post, Richard. It's totally bogus to believe that everyone who played a role in 9/11 knew the entire plot. It's called compartmentalization. There are just a few who know everything. The majority are just given assignments to carry out, which they do. These underlings know that if they come forward, the media will not report what they have to say; they know they will lose their jobs, family members will die in "accidents" and they themselves risk death. Sherlock Holmes put it well: When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, is the truth. 9/11 was an inside job. "

Richard Cranium wrote on May 14, 2008 10:04 PM:

" To MK: First of all, I don't give Bush much credit for being smarter than too many people. If you don't believe it's possible because of the amount of people involved, consider this. How many people were involved with, knew about, kept quiet about, the secret torture prisons around the world. Most people in the United States didn't even know about these until recently. There were/are hundreds, perhaps thousands of people involved with that. Throughout the world. I also don't agree with you that it would take hundreds, perhaps thousands of people to destroy building #7. The people involved were knowledgeable enough and obviously not all that concerned about loss of life or they wouldn't have attempted it in the first place. And if the CIA is involved, we know what happens to people that "try to spill the beans". "

MK wrote on May 14, 2008 12:58 PM:

" Anyone who believes this 9-11 conspiracy crap is out of their mind. Think for just one moment as to how many people would have to be involved for this to go off without a hitch. To destroy what was destroyed, in a controlled manner (with prepared explosives and the like) would require the efforts of hundreds if not thousands of people. People like to talk. Someone would have spilled the beans by now. To suggest that President Bush would potentially sacrifice his credibility and popularity so as to create a war his dad did not finish is insane. If you believe this then President Bush is much smarter than many of you give him credit for. "

Michael Welch More Air More Light... wrote on May 13, 2008 12:33 PM:

" In 'Judgement at Nuremberg' Spencer Tracy as an American judge in Germany to preside over a war crimes trial asks the German servants the US gov has provided for him what they thought of Hitler and the nazis etc. The servants of course become rather defensive and alarmed -- they knew uh 'nothing!' AND IF they had known what could they have done? Ah! That 'if'! The usual approach to 'conspiracies' is to pooh pooh them BEFORE investigating them -- after all if someone like oh Walter Cronkite or Bill O'Reilly tells you it's nonsense why it MUST be so! Don't need to check it out yourself eh? I'm frankly not as 'confirmed' as is 'Bugs' or Barrett but I do look forward to a more thorough airing of the 9-11 'questions' -- re: the Kennedy assassinations they're not going away... "

Bugs Raplin wrote on May 12, 2008 7:52 AM:

" Well, according to Time magazine, 36% of Americans believe Bush was complicit in 9/11 either allowing it to happen on purpose or making it happen. According to Zogby (August 2004) nearly 50% of the residents of New York City believe Bush was complicit. I realize its hard for many Americans to accept the truth about 9/11. It would shatter their world views. Still, the evidence leaves no other conclusion but that it was an inside job. Bush and Cheney are perfectly capable of sacrificing 3,000 Americans to achieve their foreign policy objectives. But, hey, if you want to call Barrett names, go ahead. You're just showing your ignorance. "

A thought wrote on May 12, 2008 6:26 AM:

" Fire Reid Magney! "

Not surprising wrote on May 11, 2008 8:16 PM:

" to see Michael Welsh posting in basic agreement with this wacko, "9/11 inside job", libertarian. I expect to see Bugs join in with his tin foil hat ideas. I am actually excited to see this Barrett run. It will give Bugs and Michael another opportunity to see that most of the people reject their wacky conspiracy ideas. "

blog stalker wrote on May 11, 2008 4:21 AM:

" Imagine that someone from AZ talking about WI politics, oh its just Mikey. Nevermind. I think maybe you should put candidate out there that actually has a chance to win instead of just spewing forth their own ridiculous agenda. "

Reid Magney wrote on May 9, 2008 3:09 PM:

" Just a note: I misquoted one key word in this post. The quote should have read: The people of Wisconsin need to wake up and demand that we defend our borders rather than trying to police the world. "

Michael Welch ...And Let The Wind Blow Through... wrote on May 9, 2008 12:17 PM:

" Barrett, like Chip De Nure, is obviously 'something REALLY different' but it's silly and superficial to dismiss him (as De Nure was in '06) as 'out of touch' etc., because in fact more and more folks are questioning this administration's unnecessary wars and 9-11 especially. I now live in the Phoenix valley in John McCain's home state and recently a state senator, Karen Johnson of Mesa, a REPUBLICAN by the way, had an opinion piece in AZ's equivalent to the Milwaukee Journal, the Arizona Republic, challenging the 9-11 commission report. The continuing degradation of the Bush presidency has opened the windows to healthy skepticism, just as folks finally faced the lies about Vietnam forty years ago. This is great!... "

DJ wrote on May 8, 2008 9:31 PM:

" They're coming out of the woodwork again. 9-11 Plot? Ventura for president? Has someone completely lost their mind? Tax only the rich? Like they receive most of the government services...DUH. Libertarian-read Loon. And his supporting cast is as out of touch as he is. "


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