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Dear Johnny Hobo wrote on Jul 31, 2008 9:36 AM:

" Look--they're still talking about people who are talking about what a flock is. "

To The Man wrote on Jul 31, 2008 8:44 AM:

" No, I think it is YOU who is willfully ignorant for NOT thinking this is a flock. "

harsch...dear BGS wrote on Jul 30, 2008 5:20 PM:

" Look--they're still talking about what a flock is. "

From theman wrote on Jul 30, 2008 4:28 PM:

" You aren't disingenuous. You are willfully ignorant. And purposely defending an untenable position for silly political posturing. "

to one thirty two pm wrote on Jul 30, 2008 2:11 PM:

" I am not being disingenuous. I honestly think 51,000 IS a huge number. You say this is the point Hannity was trying to get across, and I agree. "

To eight forty-eight wrote on Jul 30, 2008 1:32 PM:

" Sigh. Is your picture in the dictionary next to disingenuous? Hannity, by using the term "flocking," was trying to make people believe a huge number of Canadians were coming to the US for health care. The statistics put the lie to the connotation of the term flocking when applied to humans behavior. The use of such a term, and the way Hannity uses it (as Jimmy points out), is meant to make people believe something that isn't true. It is, a lie. "

To the man wrote on Jul 30, 2008 8:48 AM:

" Its a matter of perception, not lies vs truth. One mans "flocking" may be another mans "trickling?" See harsch's 7/25 3:09pm post. When I see a flock of birds, I don't consider the percentage of the bird population. To me, 10 birds would be a flock, even though the percentage of these 10 birds to the total bird population would be even more miniscule than .1% Sorry, you did not make your case regarding Hannity being a serial liar. "

To theman wrote on Jul 29, 2008 6:27 PM:

" Your comment below is the PERFECT example to refute how ridiculous it is to consider .1 percent "flocking." Excellent! I guess by Sean Hannity's standards, people in La Crosse really are "flocking" to Rochester. "

from theman wrote on Jul 29, 2008 4:38 PM:

" Had to be gone for a couple days. Naturally that is when I figured out how to explain this percentage thing. OF COURSE the percentage is important. But if you want numbers here is a way to think about this ... If .1% is flocking then we would consider 51 people per year going from La Crosse to Rochester "flocking." It obviously wouldn't even be noticed if that was the actual number. "

To seven fifty three am wrote on Jul 29, 2008 9:09 AM:

" No, but it is a personal failure. I just thought the glee that just oozed from the post at the thought of someones failure was just plain nasty as opposed to humorous. "

To To re Chris King wrote on Jul 29, 2008 7:53 AM:

" First of all, not paying support isn't "misfortune." second, go to your doctor and get a humor implant. "

To re Chris King wrote on Jul 28, 2008 3:31 PM:

" It is sad that some people enjoy seeing others stumble and struggle with personal failures. Everyone stumbles and struggles, but not everyone enjoys seeing others stumble and struggle. I think you need to do some serious soul-searching. I wouldn't wish misfortune on anyone, but I am glad this is indeed a different Chris King, precisely because of people like you. "

Michael Welch To Tink... wrote on Jul 28, 2008 1:45 PM:

" Thanks Tink! You're the best 'girl' there is!... "

Re Chris King wrote on Jul 28, 2008 12:50 PM:

" Nuts. I love me some ironic hypocrisy! "

Tinker Bell wrote on Jul 28, 2008 11:45 AM:

" Happy birthday, Mikey. "

Michael Welch THATS THE KEY... wrote on Jul 28, 2008 11:24 AM:

" Thanks 'Dave.' It's also the 79th anniversary of Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy Onassis' birth so there are always 'connections' eh... "

To please please please wrote on Jul 28, 2008 10:16 AM:

" I saw that too. Sorry, different Chris King. "

Please please please let it be true ... wrote on Jul 28, 2008 9:41 AM:

" That the Chris King who posts on this blog is the Chris King on the delinquent child support list. "

Cagefighter to BGS wrote on Jul 28, 2008 8:51 AM:

" I always like to put faces to names of people I dialogue with. Although I certainly remember you from high school, could you describe your general appearance, and I will be sure to come over and say hello if you are indeed there. "

David W. Ferrie wrote on Jul 28, 2008 8:03 AM:

" Hey, everybody, it's Michael Welch's birthday today. Wish him the best. "

Michael Welch OOOOO BELOVED... wrote on Jul 27, 2008 4:11 PM:

" And I'll add -- actually I've been 'ignored' before; it doesn't last long, usually no longer than a child insisting 'If you don't, I'll hold my breath 'til --!' And of course I WANTED, say, the 'Johnny-Tess' beast to ignore me because it was dedicated not to 'discussion' but only harassment. When I decided to return that harassment the beast retired to its lair -- for now. My experience on the Trib blogs for two years and more has been that if someone CAN'T answer me, he holds his breath and then blames ME for HIS silence. I've plenty of stuff to talk about however and the 'loss' of 'patriot' and his SLOOOOOW MARCHES isn't 'slowing' me... "

Michael Welch Love Means Never Having To Say Youre Sorry... wrote on Jul 27, 2008 2:22 PM:

" What 'PO'B' 'thinks' of me is of NO concern but I've seen MORE than enough of him to know what kind of man he REALLY is. I 'bid him adieu' LONG ago as someone who wrote honestly. Since I prefer to avoid the silly 'so's yer ol' man!' back and forth that's preferred by the rightists here, I'll just continue my '150 word essays' and respond to the relative few who have ever expressed much interest. Harsch by the way can take care of himself (as I can); he and I have a long history of dispute as well as agreement and I ONLY expect Rick to say what he really thinks -- either that or bring me down a peg with his needling. I'm one of those who doesn't care if 'you're ALL against me!' You see I'm neither running for office nor seeking your 'love'... "

BGS wrote on Jul 27, 2008 6:52 AM:

" Hey everyone....there is an upcoming IRISHFEST in Lacrosse......my brother runs it. Please attend......1st week of August. There will be Highland Games competition, beer food and hot chicks. If I can make it back to the US I'll attend and I formally issue a "cagematch" challenge to cagefigighter......;-) "

BGS to harsch wrote on Jul 27, 2008 6:49 AM:

" Too true. Been working long hours recently setting up a restaurant. I entered this blog ready to assault the pResidential Pardon and found a debate on medical travelers. I reject this boneheaded notion that everyone 'flocks' or 'gaggles' to the USA for treatment because I see many Americans coming to the EU for specialists care. Folks also run to Mexico for alternative cancer treatments the USA won't sanction. "

harsch wrote on Jul 26, 2008 12:08 PM:

" As usual Mr. Smith picks himself up off the mat after the important stuff has been discussed. Brian, this is no longer a post about hypocrisy and health care. It has long established itself as a post about what 'flocking' means. Get with it, pal, or we'll unloose Cagefighter on you again. "

BrianGSmith wrote on Jul 26, 2008 9:51 AM:

" Don't many Americans buy their prescription drugs from Canada?

How many Americans fly 'overseas' for various advanced procedures?

Why did Rush Limbaugh have aother mans Viagra prescription in his carry on purse at the Miami airport? "

Harsch to Jimmy wrote on Jul 26, 2008 3:30 AM:

" Will Ferrell as Harry Caray makes an excellent case for the advantages of a moon made of cheese, so let's keep that question open for now. "

To ten fifteen am poster wrote on Jul 25, 2008 9:52 PM:

" If you think Nixon committed a "little indiscretion" you need to re-read your history a little and stop listening to Rush Limbaugh. I studied Watergate in school. Nixon resigned because he knew as an attorney that if he was charged he could have stood trial and went to prison. He also knew full well that his good friend Ford would pardon him "for the good of the country". No, Richard Nixon was the most despicable man to ever hold the office of the Presidency. However, George W Bush is catching up fast... "

From Jimmy wrote on Jul 25, 2008 6:11 PM:

" Bias doesn't mean you can claim the moon is made of cheese even if you happen to find a piece of it lying around up there. "

To Jimmy wrote on Jul 25, 2008 4:56 PM:

" Jimmy, if you look at the arguements made, no one(even Hannity) alleged a significant PERCENTAGE. As to whether the NUMBER is significant, that is subjective, so I don't think one could be called a liar for disagreeing with you. As to whether the "die-hards" would admit that Americans flock to other counttries, why not? What would they have to gain by not admitting it? But, isn't it you who repeatedly state commentators(you and those who comment on your blogs)have no obligation to be consistent or unbiased? "

Mikey is my Mahdi wrote on Jul 25, 2008 4:52 PM:

" Hey Michael, my holy leader, have you seen how OBates is ignoring us by talking to us through talking to 'patriot'? By the way, does a Mahdi have an ego? One wouldn't think he would need one. Anyway, I am glad that Phil is going to boldly defend the truth no matter how many have to die for his armchaair cause. "

Phil OBates to patriot wrote on Jul 25, 2008 4:32 PM:

" I hear what you are saying. I may follow your idea, but realize that Michael has enough of a following in Rick Harsch to keep his ego pumped up. I don't really think Michael would believe that people are really ignoring him anyway. I think he thinks that his posts are what keeps people coming to these boards.

If you go back to Jimmy's story about not trusting McCain, you'll see Harsch and Michael have declared they know all about me. I've gone over all of their accuasations before, but they continue to mischaracterize or lie about me anyway, so I think it's time I bid them adieu. I will continue to defend the truth regardless of who posts falsehoods though. "

From Jimmy wrote on Jul 25, 2008 4:12 PM:

" It's hilarious to see some of these folks trying desperately to portray one-tenth of one percent as a significant number. But, hey, it's free country. I wonder though, are these same die-hards ready to admit that Americans are "flocking" to other countries to obtain health care, since that number exceeds one-tenth of one percent? "

Harsch wrote on Jul 25, 2008 3:40 PM:

" I believe a serial liar is one who lies repeatedly. Hannity lies repeatedly. Hannity is a serial liar. He tells flocks of lies. "

to the man wrote on Jul 25, 2008 3:37 PM:

" No, Hannity was correct. The numbers(albeit not the percentages) ARE huge. People were indeed flocking. Just not a large percentage of the people. "

To Harsch wrote on Jul 25, 2008 3:33 PM:

" Thank you for underscoring the point, in your loveable way, that the term "flocking" is a subjective term, and that ones use of this term(even when Jimmy or theman wouldn't use it)does not make one a serial liar. "

Harsch appalled wrote on Jul 25, 2008 3:28 PM:

" Imagine Welch discussing a dead man to make a point about the unnecessary deaths of dead men. Appalling. "

Harsch in love wrote on Jul 25, 2008 3:27 PM:

" This is the kind of thing I just love: P8trots writes about Welch to announce that he is ignoring him. That's Stephen Wright humor at its best. "

Harsch...Finally found it wrote on Jul 25, 2008 3:09 PM:

" Ah, at last. In the short-lived but useful Farnsworth dictionary of numerical terms, I find that for Canadiens seeking health care in the U.S. a 'flock' is 27,300, while a 'gaggle' is 1,435, and a 'horde' is 49,000 plus, though the disagreement of E.B. White is footnoted: "A horde needs must be 1 million or more, regardless of the regional considerations." "

Mikey the Mahdi wrote on Jul 25, 2008 3:06 PM:

" If it turns out Mike is the Mahdi/next time I have gone potty/I will choose to wipe/with water I swipe/so Olivier doesn't get snotty "

from theman wrote on Jul 25, 2008 2:43 PM:

" Actually, I wasn't clear enough about that 2.8 million number. I wrote it but it slipped by you. 2.8 million in that MONTH. That makes for about 33 million visits per year. Our population is about 9 times Canada's. How about when the visits to the US from Canada for health care hit 9% of their total surgery visits. (I'll be nice, I won't count regular old doctor visits even though we know they MUST wait for months just to see a doc, right?) That will be about 400,000 per year. "

To the man wrote on Jul 25, 2008 2:16 PM:

" Okay. According to you , 2.8 million is flocking, and 33,000 is a trickle. Out of curiosity, in your subjective opinion, what is the "magic" number? What number in between these two numbers would a flock be? "

from theman wrote on Jul 25, 2008 2:07 PM:

" Well, of course I am entitled to my opinion. It is just that in this instance I am correct. Obviously Hannity was trying to make the point that Canadians in huge numbers were coming to the US for health care because we are SO superior. Between 2002 and 2003 almost 4.5 million Canadians visited the hospital for in-patient or day surgery. So, far less than 1% of canadians fled their terrible health care system for SURGERY. Hannity, as usual, was just making stuff up. "

Michael Welch Cant THINK Of Anything To Say -- So Shut Up... wrote on Jul 25, 2008 1:57 PM:

" When you CAN'T reply then you can just 'whistle down the wind.' Ignore me at your peril 'cause I'm NOT ignoring you. (My 'image verification' this time by the way is 'mahdi' -- REALLY! I kid you not!...) "

To the man wrote on Jul 25, 2008 1:53 PM:

" You are entitled to your opinion but I consider 33,000(even 100) a flock, no matterwhere they were flying. Pointy is, I don't consider you a "serial liar" for not sharing that opinion. And, Jimmy, your 12:50pm responder makes a good point. These people are self-professed conservative commentators. They don't try to hide that. "

Inspired by Harsch from Jimmy wrote on Jul 25, 2008 1:53 PM:

" The Right says everything that's wrong is because of those on the Left

But when someone on the Right screws up, it seems they all are deaf "

from theman and further ... wrote on Jul 25, 2008 1:48 PM:

" In August of 2003 2.8 million Canadians visited the US. THAT is "flocking." 33,000 is a trickle. "

from theman to am wrote on Jul 25, 2008 1:45 PM:

" Of course I would consider 33,000 birds a flock if they flew over my house. However, if 33,000 birds fly over the entire US/Canadian border I wouldn't even notice. About 85% to 90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US. That puts them within easy reach of many major metropolitan areas. Do you really think less than 100 Canadians per day coming to the US is "flocking?" "

Question.... wrote on Jul 25, 2008 1:10 PM:

" If Michael Welsch posts repeatedly on a blog, but no one responds, do his posts actually do anything?

I say, let's find out.

Michael's continuous use of the death of Nick Dewhirst to shout his inflamitory politics demonstrates his lack of ethos. I say we reward Michael's lack of common decency, and let him talk to the wind. I know I'm going to ignore him.
-P8triot "

To Jimmy wrote on Jul 25, 2008 12:50 PM:

" No, you are wrong. Hannity, O'Reilly, and Limbaugh all state that what they say is conservative opinion. What is wrong is when the anchors or newspeople on CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc. claim to be "unbiased reporting", but then lace the story with their opinions. FOX does the best job of separating opinion from news, but they all editorialize during their "reporting". Shoot, just look at the love fest the networks did for the junior Senator from Chicago this past week. "

To Yo et al from Jimmy wrote on Jul 25, 2008 11:36 AM:

" This blog is commentary and editorializing. Of course I'm biased, so there's no scoop in that, anymore than there is in my pointing out that you, too, are biased. I'm not a reporter and these aren't hard news stories, any more than what Hannity, or O'Reiley or the rest of the lot offer. The difference is, I acknowledge that what I write is commnetary; the aforementioned are dishonest because they do not. "

Michael Welch ...And JUDAS Was An Honorable Man --... wrote on Jul 25, 2008 11:18 AM:

" The 'discussion' I see has once again degenerated into petty nasty squabble but hey -- that IS after all the true essence of an American presidential campaign! 'Socialist' is once more flung as a pejorative hardly assumed much worse (even worse?) than 'serial killer' or mother raper or FATHER raper -- re: Arlo Guthrie's 'back bench.' Nixon as more 'honorable' than Clinton -- NOW that's a scrabble for the dirtiest pile! Nixon merely subverted the US constitution rather than plug any hot babes; and then, what WERE the Watergaters looking for 'at that altitude' per Ernest Hemingway? Hmmm: info from Castro re: high US government complicity in the murder of their own commander in chief in 1963 -- and ah yes: 'Brutus' too was an 'honorable man'!... "

harsch wrote on Jul 25, 2008 10:18 AM:

" A man named yo was all alone/blogging there in Jimmy's zone/his brains were tossed/when his words were lost/because he could not dial a telephone "

Yo wrote on Jul 25, 2008 10:15 AM:

" To Yo: Does the name Richard Armitage mean anything to you? He "outed" valarie plame, not Libby. Do the REAL facts matter, or not? "

compared to Clinton wrote on Jul 25, 2008 10:15 AM:

" Nixon was honorable. At least Nixon got America out of Viet Nam and hemmed in the Soviets with a pact with the Chinese. Nixon didn't order the break in to obtain information on the Democrats, nor did he get the information. Clinton, however, obtained 400 FBI background files on people and lied about it. Clinton ignored the terrorist threat of Osama Bin Laden and refused to pick him up from the Sudan when he was offered up. Clinton allowed advanced technology and information to go to China which has given their military a 20 year jump start. When Nixon was confronted with his little indescretion, he did the honorable thing and resigned. When Clinton was caught lying, he and his party did the dishonorable thing and stonewalled and lied some more. "

Froto wrote on Jul 25, 2008 9:25 AM:

" The pardon wagon is out of control. Look at Clinton, he pardoned all the criminals that helped him, were his buddies or had somthing on him. The way they all use this vehicle is a slap in the face of every good citizen of this country. As to Hannity, wake up, everytime people especially newspeople reply or report to/on him you are guilty of collaboration and helping to spread their word. Take a lesson from the Kennedy, and ignore and keep your mouths shut. Paying no attention, not discussing and ignoring him will eventually relagate him to obscurity. "

PHIL OSIFER wrote on Jul 25, 2008 9:21 AM:

" HARSCH: anytime some one spews out garbage that cannot be backed up by facts. I for one will not respect them and will challenge. So reading your personell attacks leads me to believe that your are a socialist. So thanks for throwing down the gauntlet as a challenge I accept "

To theman wrote on Jul 25, 2008 8:52 AM:

" I totally disagree that 33,000 is not a flock. To me, that would be a giant, enormous flock. You can certainly disagree with me, but I don't think it makes me a "serial liar". Our perspectives are just different. 33,000. Wow. If 33,000 birds flew over your house, would you not consider that a flock?(even though the total bird population is much higher) "

Yo wrote on Jul 25, 2008 8:25 AM:

" I responded last night saying something like: look at your visceral attack at myself and Sean Hannity. Looking at how this article was written...demagoguery, cockeyed, etc. You said to refer to something you wrote - I thought I did. It never got posted, bias - yes jimmy You are biased and your writing shows it. "

To Eddie wrote on Jul 25, 2008 7:15 AM:

" Your right. Nobody should be able to pardon anyone. Ford should not have been able to pardon Nixon either. He pardoned the most despicable person to ever hold the office of the Presidency.(that told me all I needed to know about Ford). Justice was NOT served in that case and the American people are paying for it to this day... "

To Yo wrote on Jul 25, 2008 7:12 AM:

" Where was the outrage when Bush bailed out "Scooter Libby?" He should have went to jail with Dead Eye Dick Cheney for treason. Those kind are the lowest of low lives on the planet. And by the way, nobody over the age of ten should be named "Scooter". "

Harsch..King Osifer the Proud wrote on Jul 25, 2008 5:57 AM:

" Osifer is very pleased with himself that he forced Jimmy to waste his time defending the obvious. Given America's system as it is, any Canadians who come here specifically for care would be rich. Because Chennai (India) has an excellent reputation for heart surgery a lot of rich people fly there for treatment, too. But on the face of it a)do you want a health care system in which the rich get better treatment; b) do you want Canadians to all be rich, while you are losing buying power virtually on a daily basis? I wish Jimmy did not have to 'research' (reading an article on the internet is research?) this terribly complex flocked up issue. "

PHIL OSIFER wrote on Jul 24, 2008 9:16 PM:

" TO ALL: I got you thinking and looking up information, I dislike people both liberals and conservatives that throw out statements like " flocking to" without substantiating where they got their facts. Statements that contain "allism" are also distasteful to me. I will keep challenging statements like these when I read them "

To Yo from Jimmy wrote on Jul 24, 2008 8:27 PM:

" Just how in the heck do you know whether or not I was outraged at Clinton's pardon of Mark Rich. I didn't even vote for Bill Clinton in 1996! And I've slammed Hillary Clinton in this blog so many times some of her supporters won't even talk to me. If you want to accuse me of bias, fine. But please do so by responding to something I've written rather than basing your accusation on an assumption. "

Eddie wrote on Jul 24, 2008 7:59 PM:

" Getting to the fundamental problem.....why on Earth should the President be allowed to pardon anyone? You do the crime, you do the time. NO ONE deserves to be pardoned if they are truly guilty. "

Yo wrote on Jul 24, 2008 7:13 PM:

" Yes, Jones should pay the price, but I also see a bias at work here. Bill Clinton was caught lying to the Feds and had to give up his law license for a mere 5 years, spending no time in jail. As for the pardon - where was the outrage when Bill pardoned Mr. Rich, a guy who tried to put 500,000 lbs of cocaine on the streets of Minneapolis, MN. Where was the outrage when Bill used gov't property to sequester favors in exchange for a promise of a job to an intern? What about the lack of coverage or investigation into Hillary's book deal just days before she was sworn in as senator. (which was delayed so she could get the deal). The IHBDS is at work here(I HATE Bush Derangement Syndrome). Jimmy, go take your medicine and calm down. "

To why a Canadian wrote on Jul 24, 2008 4:54 PM:

" Reread Jimmys 3:09pm post. A significant number(as opposed to a significant percentage) of Canadians came to the U.S. SPECIFICALLY for medical treatment. "

theman wrote on Jul 24, 2008 4:47 PM:

" For those of you not willing to do the math, .1% of Canada's population is about 33,000 people. That is not a flock. I tried to see how many people went from the US to Canada for Lasik surgery, but failed to find it. I bet it was many times 33,000 for just that procedure alone. Same surgery as the US, but a fraction of the cost. "

Why a Canadian obtain health care in the US wrote on Jul 24, 2008 4:00 PM:

" They are working or visiting here, got sick or whatever and it was better or easier to seek treatment here. Otherwise they go home because it is cheaper, faster and in most cases better! "

To Jimmy wrote on Jul 24, 2008 3:43 PM:

" Jimmy, I see this as a matter of perception, not cause to call someone a "serial liar". "flocking" is very subjective. .5% and/or .1 percent of AN ENTIRE COUNTRIES POPULATION is a considerable number of people. Assuming most people just get healthcare in their own country because of convenience, the fact that many people(even though a small percentage of the countries population) left Canada specifically to get healthcare here could be construed as flocking(would an equal number of birds be a "flock"?). Yes, this is a stretch, but so was your term "serial liar". "

Here is the proof from Jimmy wrote on Jul 24, 2008 3:09 PM:

" The Canadian National Population Health Survey conducted every other year since 1994 has shown that 0.5% of Canadians have received health care in the US. Less than 0.1% of the Canadians have gone to the US specifically for treatment.

Well, Jeff (and other dissenters), that doesn't sound much like flocking to me! "

Harsch...flocculence wrote on Jul 24, 2008 2:56 PM:

" A flock is often referring to sheep. In this case the flock of sheep are those Americans (of the U.S. persuasion) who are blinded by there passive pseudo-patriotism, thinking that they somehow would do the country a disservice by criticising it, whereas it is only through criticism that they can begin to help improve it. "

To re phil osifer wrote on Jul 24, 2008 2:36 PM:

" The "burden" is on both, or neither. It is simply not true that one can't prove a negative. Hannity said something in the course of his show, Jimmy called him a liar. they each made an assertion. Each should be able to back up what they say. Don't hold Hannity to a different standard than Jimmy. "

To Jeff from Jimmy cont. wrote on Jul 24, 2008 2:30 PM:

" In addition, there are ten of thousands of Americans who seek health care in other countries each and every year, whether that care be experimental or traditional. But considering the number of Americans, it would not, as Hannity claims in the reverse, constitute concluding that Americans are "flocking" to other countries for medical services. "

re Phil Osifer wrote on Jul 24, 2008 2:12 PM:

" Phil, you're asking Jimmy to prove a negative, a very different, and to some degree impossiable task. Unlike sean hannity proving an affirmative. The burden of proof lies with hannity. "

harsch wrote on Jul 24, 2008 1:40 PM:

" I got mixed feelings about abortion, but none about blog etiquette: you do not call Jimmy a liar. Oppose him or not, he is our man. May your shame not quite turn into flesh eating bacteria, you swine. "

To Jeff from Jimmy wrote on Jul 24, 2008 1:38 PM:

" There is absolutely nothing in that article to support the contention that Canadians are "flocking" across the border to access American health care. You can argue whether or not our system is better, but there's no data for making such a sweeping claim. "

Barak Hussein Obama wrote on Jul 24, 2008 12:09 PM:

" If only that pesky Born Alive Infant Protection Act was voted down, this poor girl(Indra, not Marion) would be free to go on her merry way. I fully support the right of mothers to kill their babies, born or unborn. Motherhood is such a burden. "

PHIL OSIFER wrote on Jul 24, 2008 11:49 AM:

" Jimmy; just where do you get YOUR facts that Canadians are NOT flocking across the border to get health care? "

Michael Welch Worse By Miles... wrote on Jul 24, 2008 11:23 AM:

" As for health care there has been an excellent series on National Public Radio comparing services in countries like France, the Netherlands and Britain -- all with varying nationalized systems -- with the US's. Here you have to go bankrupt if you can't afford private health insurance and you are subjected to long long waits even when you are practically indigent. The US 'system' is inordinately cruel to the many for the benefit of the relative few; this nation prefers constant war for the interests of its corporate masters and it continually reaps what it sows... "

Michael Welch Just Another One Of The Elite... wrote on Jul 24, 2008 11:16 AM:

" I have no real interest in sports as they've only become overly commercialized diversions and play wars. And if wealthy athletes are convicted of wanting their wealth too much I can understand an argument that they've only joined the crowd. Rather than have embraced an 'alternative' life style of crime, they have actually joined the wealthiest mortgage lenders, military weaponer pseudo 'patriots' and oily merchandizers in robbing Peter Citizen to pay poor Paul Too Big To Be Allowed To Fail. 'Capitalism' for the masses but socialism for the elite -- the American way eh... "

Jeff wrote on Jul 24, 2008 10:35 AM:

" Hey Jimmy, here's a "shred" of evidence for you to support Hannity's claim. I think you're the liar. You can easily google any of this information, give it a try or are you just too willfully ignorant and lazy?

http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html "

harsch wrote on Jul 24, 2008 10:33 AM:

" To re hannity: if you admittedly don't what you're talking about, why comment? Mobutu Sese Seku was a bad guy, but I suppose if I repeatedly condemned him I would have an axe to grind. Sometimes we grind the axe to get it ready for the next swine. "

To ACLU wrote on Jul 24, 2008 9:34 AM:

" I think you are onto something here. We should no more infringe on her right to choose anymore than we should infringe on Indra Books right to choose. Yes, she let her baby starve, but isn't it immoral for the Government to force a woman to remain a mother against her will? No one has a right to complain about this womans choice until they have walked a mile in her shoes, and have done something to solve the problem of overpopulation. Also, for those complaining about what she did, how many unwanted children have you taken into your home? How many medical bills for these unwanted children have you paid? If you don't agree with what this woman did, fine. Then don't do it. But don't tell other people how to live their lives. "

Re Sean Hannity wrote on Jul 24, 2008 9:23 AM:

" Jimmy, I don't listen to Hannity and Colmes, but it is obvious you have some kind of an axe to grind with this guy. It seems on almost every blog, you work in a negative comment about him. Doesn't Alan Colmes do a good enough job of balancing things out on their show? "

ACLU wrote on Jul 24, 2008 9:06 AM:

" Marion Jones was merely practicing an alternative lifestyle that we must be more tolerant of. We must take care to not impose our morality on her or infringe on her right to choose. Otherwise, we are in danger of becoming a Christian theocracy. This woman is merely a Criminal-American to whom we should offer amnesty, free education, and free healthcare. In 30 years we will look back in horror at how bigoted and closed-minded we were. A pardon would be the first step in the healing process. "

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