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The media is liberal wrote on Aug 29, 2008 9:37 PM:

" Well, I guess I have been told this by Rush Limbaugh, Thomas Sowell, Ann Coulter, Rich Lowry, Bill O Reilly, and William Safire, Robert Novak, William F Buckley Jr, George Will, John Gibson, Michelle Malkin, David Brooks, Tony Snow (when he was alive),Tony Blankely, Fred Barnes, Britt Hume, Larry Kudlow, Sean Hannity, David Horowitz, William Kristol, Hugh Hewitt, Oliver North, Joe Scarborough, Pat Buchanan, John McLaughlin, Cal Thomas, Joe Klein, James Kilpatrick, Tucker Carlson, Deroy Murdock, Michael Savage, Charles Krauthammer, Stephen Moore, G Gordon Liddy, Alan Keyes, Gary Bauer, Mort Kondracke, Andrew Sullivan, Neil Cavuto, Mike Rosen, Dave Kopel, John Caldera and Matt Drudge. Liberal media my butt... "

To the wrote on Aug 28, 2008 7:00 PM:

" Okay, so I thru a xtra r in ther. you kin hav it fur free.
My point was that the news media did not mention that there was a rock concert in conjunction with Obama's appearance because they wanted everyone to think the people all came only for Obama. Anyone with half a brain knows that some of them came to see the band. What did you think the article was about? Maybe I can help you understand. I know it's an uphill battle to make sense with you people; even the article itself is biased, but what the heck, it's fun to make you get all snotty and think you are soooo superior. "

To Harsch wrote on Aug 28, 2008 9:17 AM:

" No, if he DID know of the attacks ahead of time and behaved as he did, he should have been impeached for incompetence. And now Bowers whole deal with the media reporting it ahead of time somehow is more "evidence"? The phrase "preponderance of evidence" in support of a position assumes actual, credible evidence. The evidence cited(Bush's reaction, etc) actually supports the official theory. The media reporting on it ahead of time is simply a fact that actually supports neither the official nor the alternate theory. "

To five fifteen am poster wrote on Aug 28, 2008 6:48 AM:

" I know it's an election year but can you at least try to learn how to spell and make comments that actually contribute something here instead of showing how naive you are? "

To the wrote on Aug 27, 2008 5:15 AM:

" Oh Gee, silly me, of course no one came to see the rock concert. By the way, how can you breathe with your heard so far up your butt? "

To Did anyone hear wrote on Aug 26, 2008 6:10 PM:

" Yes, I heard about that, too. And, no, I don't think it had anything to do with the size of the crowd. Yours is a perfect example of inductive reasoning at its worst and most simple. "

Did anyone hear wrote on Aug 26, 2008 3:51 PM:

" the media say that there was also a free rock concert in conjunction with the Obama appearance? I forget who was playing, but, gee, do you think that could have possibly had anything to do with the size of the crowd?? "

Lee Bowers wrote on Aug 26, 2008 8:12 AM:

" Harsch, of my sister's 13 children, you are my favorite. But back to Building 7. There were small fires burning on two or three floors of the 47 story skyscraper. Why the sprinklers didn't put them out is a mystery. Yet about 5:30 pm, the building collapsed into its own footprint in about 7 seconds. The government had no explanation for this until last week when NIST concluded fire caused the collapse. First time in the history of steel structured buildings that fire caused total collapse. I gotta say that anyone who believes the government on this is either afraid to face the truth or isn't playing with a full deck. "

To seven thirteen pm poster wrote on Aug 25, 2008 9:23 PM:

" I guess twenty thousand is way more than a few thousand though, isn't it? Besides, from what I saw on tv it looked like way more than twenty thousand to me. "

To wallythebeav wrote on Aug 25, 2008 7:36 PM:

" you are right. Did you see the coverage of Joe Biden's "compound" when they were waiting for him to come out? 150,000 my butt! Does anyone believe he would be living in a house only worth that much or that the houses we saw on tv would only be valued at that price?! Just goes to show the truth that the media is trying to help the Obama campaign. "

Harsch wrote on Aug 25, 2008 5:05 PM:

" And of course eventually he WAS whisked away for his own 'safety', though that response was too slow to make sense. "

Harsch wrote on Aug 25, 2008 5:03 PM:

" In addition, poor Uncle Lee probably would like to engage in a real discussion, which is impossible without taking into consideration the preponderance of evidence. Of course, the alternative theory could have weak points, but side by side, the alternative theory is much stronger than the official one. At this point no one can prove Bush's behavior supports one theory or the other, though given that he commented on seeing the first tower being hit before he could have suggests something is awry. And only an inveterate apologist could suggest that behavior that supports the notion that he knew of the attacks ahead of time (no fear for his own safety) actually suggests he didn't...And of course if he didn't and behaved as we all saw him behave he should have been impeached for incompetence. "

harsch wrote on Aug 25, 2008 4:57 PM:

" The problem Uncle Lee faces is that it is much easier to present evidence that the official story is aa pack of lies than it is to determine exactly what the truth is. I imagine my uncle being a little exasperated at this point at the failure of his interlocutor to understand the significance of two different reporters choosing the same building to fall. It was obviously not bad reporting, for the building did come down. Giuliani said beforehand that it would, so it is not hard to imagine some of the press getting wind of it and reporting it before it happened, especially on such a confusing day. You might also consider that only people who regularly spent time in that area actually knew which building was called 7. Did you even know there was a 7 before that day? "

Lee Bowers wrote on Aug 25, 2008 4:57 PM:

" Well, there's a better word for it than glitch, but I can't use it here; it's a hyphenated word; the first part has four letters; the second part is "up" "

To Lee Bowers wrote on Aug 25, 2008 3:58 PM:

" Please! A glitch?! Reporting on the story before it happened is not a "glitch"! It would be a conscious, deliberate act, especially with the building standing behind you! So, you think this vast engineered conspiracy included the media? So, now they let the media in on their plan, before it was carried out? And, to top it off, BOTH the BBC AND CNN reported it ahead of time? Sort of like an oops? Come on. "

Lee Bowers wrote on Aug 25, 2008 3:02 PM:

" We disagree... The reporters calling the collapse before it occurred is just another glitch, like Bush in the classroom. One thing to keep in mind, this glitch was not reported on by the mainstream media, but was brought to light by the 9/11 truth movement. The key thing here is how did those reporters know the building was going to collapse? "

To Michael wrote on Aug 25, 2008 1:55 PM:

" In fairness, if Jimmy could do a search for, say, the last 2 months for the word "SamaBamaMama", I am pretty sure the word would be found most often under the name "Michael Welch". Whoever used it hasn't used it in months. You are the only one who keeps bringing it up(well, now me, I guess) "

To Lee Bowers wrote on Aug 25, 2008 1:41 PM:

" Well, if you don't think that was horrible incompetence and made the reporters look like clowns, lets hear your take after you "scratched your head". Your critic wonders how reporting something that obviously didn't happen would qualify as evidence of a coverup? If anything, it would accomplish the opposite. "

Michael Welch Change You Can Lose... wrote on Aug 25, 2008 11:44 AM:

" I keep having to remind people that I'm NOT a Democrat, NOR am I a Republican any longer. I vote but without much enthusiasm for Democrats who offer at least a modicum of opposition to the wars -- 'warS' not 'war,' I continue to emphasize. Obama initially presented himself as a Chicago 'liberal' candydandydate conflated into the black urban politics of Illinois -- fine; that was indeed 'different.' He positioned himself as originally opposed to the Iraq war -- double fine. NOW he's talked for months about withdrawing from Iraq over a SIXTEEN MONTH PERIOD -- geez the Bushies would do that! And then he is plumping a SHIFT toward intensification the Afghan war. Per the imperial wars he is virtually McSame McCain. That is FAR MORE 'remarkable' than the boilerplate OR Mac's MANY residences but nobody cares (here or elsewhere apparently) but I -- and THAT's remarkable too... "

Lee Bowers wrote on Aug 25, 2008 10:46 AM:

" My critic ignores the obvious, but he/she is someone who consistently operates in that manner. Hopefully, most people will take a more honest approach to this information, scratch their heads, and say, what's up with that? "

To Lee Bowers wrote on Aug 25, 2008 9:50 AM:

" So, how would this "fact" in any way, shape, form, or matter support your theory? All it shows is that Aaron Brown and the BBC reporter are clowns. I mean, a reporter reporting a building collapsing? While behind him said building is NOT collapsing? Sounds like horrible incompetence, not a well-planned, orchestrated conspiracy. Also, it sounds like something one should be able to find on you-tube. Right? "

Lee Bowers wrote on Aug 25, 2008 9:22 AM:

" It is a FACT that CNN reporter Aaron Brown reported that Building 7 is "either collapsing or has collapsed one hour BEFORE it collapsed. So about an hour later Building 7 came down in about 7 seconds, so the obvious conclusion is that Aaron Brown's reporting is ridiculous. "

To Michael wrote on Aug 25, 2008 9:21 AM:

" Of course no one is saying there should be no changes whatsoever. That is not the point of the Obama quote. It was an exact quote--and I asked you on another blog: "Don't you think he could have phrased it better or clarified himself more?" I mean, it seems you did a pretty decent job at it. If you read the quote, it is pretty silly. Admit it. "

Lee Bowers wrote on Aug 25, 2008 9:19 AM:

" First, a big thank you to Jimmy for letting me go off topic. As to the collapse of Building 7, it is a FACT that the BBC reported the collapse 23 minutes before it occurred. In fact, as the BBC reporter reported the collapse, one can see Building 7 in the background not collapsing-that would occur 23 minutes later. "

Hey Harsch... wrote on Aug 25, 2008 8:40 AM:

" I noticed you said you didn't have anything to add...then proceeded to add a couple things. "

wallythebeav wrote on Aug 25, 2008 8:40 AM:

" There is plenty of bias and perhaps that is understandable. Over the weekend, there was an embarrassing amount of breathless coverage over the VP pick. The Tribune followed suit with a couple of McClatchy articles that mentioned Biden's net worth at $150,000 at least twice. Come on. Biden makes $200,000 per year and has been in the Senate for 36 years. He is either using creative accounting or should not be trusted with the checkbook. More balanced coverage is what most people are after. "

To To Hey Welch wrote on Aug 24, 2008 7:18 PM:

" WEll, let's see WHO was it that won that election? "

to eight twenty six wrote on Aug 24, 2008 7:13 PM:

" only about 20,000 attended Obama's Germany rally. (http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/blog/blog.aspx?ID=2492) "

To eleven thirteen am poster wrote on Aug 24, 2008 6:12 PM:

" John Sidney McCain doesn't even know how many homes he has. He can't possibly identify with the average person in this country. And you guys were the ones complaining that Kerry's wife didn't want to reveal her tax returns, remember? Well, McCain's wife doesn't want to either. And she still hasn't. He is one of the richest guys in the United States Senate and his wife makes millions of dollars a year. McCains solution for the poor economy? (that he doesn't know anything about). More tax breaks for the wealthy. "

harsch re justgas wrote on Aug 24, 2008 5:20 PM:

" Pelosi will be remembered as a hero by Republicans for not allowing the impeachment of Bush. "

To Hey Welch wrote on Aug 24, 2008 4:31 PM:

" You're right, the Democrats didn't say anything about Kerry's lavish lifestyle; they didn't need to, the Republicans were complaining about it more than enough for everyone! "

justaguess wrote on Aug 24, 2008 3:03 PM:

" personally if their is a democracy in this country, I hope we see the biggest protest this country has ever seen a the DNC...yes I want change, but not by someone who is not fit to run for office and who's super delegates were bought and paid for by Pelosi...I don't want to hear anymore whining about anything that is not an issue, and if this is the best you can do...I rest my case. "

Hey Welch wrote on Aug 24, 2008 11:13 AM:

" You and the rest of the dems have a big h--- o- about McCains houses. (If "big" would ever apply) What did you have to say about John Kerry's filthy rich lifestyle with all the homes he and his heiress wife own? Hm? Answer: Absolutely nothing. "

Harsch wrote on Aug 24, 2008 10:37 AM:

" More excellent posts by Welch...I have nothing to add, so for those who look for my name for any reason, I offer this opinion and advice: Welch's posts are worth reading twice. I especially like his explanation of the absurdity of the entire Obama quote banalismos. "

To six thirty eight pm poster wrote on Aug 23, 2008 8:26 PM:

" Did you even watch the news when he was over there? If it wasn't that many how many do you think it was? I watched Fox's coverage of it and they made it sound like there was perhaps a "few thousand there". If you want me to give you a list of all the conservative media people I can do it for you. You have got to be kidding me. "

Michael Welch Biden As A Conventional Choice... wrote on Aug 23, 2008 12:31 PM:

" Seeing that today's the day (Saturday) the Biden announcement was made I'd like to make an observation: Obama once stated that he was inclined to reject the 'usual' stereotypes about vice presidents as 'supplemental' -- e. g. from an electoral rich state or someone with connections to an important voting 'bloc' -- and was thinking in terms of 'complemental,' i. e. someone supposedly more ideologically and even personally 'close,' like Cheney to W. Well I think it's clear Obama actually went for that first rather than second category in that Biden is a 'safe' experienced senator from the vital 'eastern corridor' with ties to 'blue collar' Democrats. I see this choice as rather uh 'conventional' really, not so much a 'change' at all... "

Michael Welch Oh Go Ahead Already... wrote on Aug 23, 2008 12:20 PM:

" When I peruse these Jimmy blogs I go 'down the line,' checking whether there is a comment I want to or ought to reply to. Today I discern a crankiness about my rather heated objections to those repetitive 'Barack Hussein Obama' comments that consist of a couple REPEATED 'quotes' -- so: okay! If that's ALL you are able to do I say go ahead and write them as much as you wish. HOWEVER -- IF there is ONE PERSON out there -- somewhere! -- who would like to REALLY DISCUSS Obama (I'm NOT the Big O's greatest fan -- or haven't you been paying attention?) I think we could do as well as myself, KWK and 'Stasiak' re: Jesus. But if those endless 'quotes' are ALL you can manage I leave that to Jim's 'discretion.' I will just ignore the repeats -- after all they don't say 'anything' really... "

Michael Welch And What I Want To Know Men Is Why... wrote on Aug 23, 2008 11:31 AM:

" Also I consider the repetition of so called quotes (give me a specific source OUTSIDE a right wing web site next time okay -- one I can check) written over and over again without explication to be as boring and meaningless as that infamous 'Sama'BamaMama 'joke' that went on and on and on and on and ON some more -- to what end? You were NOT convincing ME of anything -- were you really attempting to convince yourselves? Did you NEED SO MUCH 'convincing'? Why can't ANYONE who is anti-Obama explain ANYTHING beyond listing the SAME 'quotes' again and again? That is mindless; it's childish. I EXPLAIN what I mean -- obviously IN DETAIL! -- YOU explain NOTHING but that you don't like Obama; okay I KNOW THAT ALREADY. I just don't know 'why'... "

Michael Welch Bad News On The Doorstep I Couldnt Take One More --... wrote on Aug 23, 2008 11:20 AM:

" I don't really care what Obama 'said' in these quotes; they are what's called 'boilerplate.' But do his critics here AGREE that the United States IS 'the greatest nation'? Do you? Don't you also want to 'change it,' say by outlawing abortion rights and the right of gays and lesbians (in Mass and CA at least) to marry whom they wish? NONE of you want to CHANGE ANYTHING about the 'greatest nation'? Is that an assumption I ought to make -- that you consider the US 'perfect' AS IS? Also Obama's tax policies would benefit those of us who earn LESS than $250,000 -- above that income you would indeed be taxed more. For those of you commenting here who own oh eight houses or so, this IS certainly 'bad news'... "

jeff wrote on Aug 23, 2008 11:13 AM:

" Obama on the cover of Time magazine 7 times this year, McCain twice. "

MSNBC confirms media bias wrote on Aug 22, 2008 6:38 PM:

" From a June 2007 article by Roger Aronoff (http://www.aim.org/aim-column/msnbc-confirms-liberal-media-bias/)

"MSNBC.com identified 143 journalists who made political contributions from 2004 through the start of the 2008 campaign, according to the public records of the Federal Election Commission. Most of the newsroom checkbooks leaned to the left: 125 journalists gave to Democrats and liberal causes. Only 16 gave to Republicans. Two gave to both parties."

Nobody is saying 100% liberal media bias, but when most of the media fail to report simple things(like when Obama was in Germany he was the opening act for a popular band, the crowd was not 200,000, and many people were actually jeering him) you have to question accuracy. "

Ronnie to Lee Bowers wrote on Aug 22, 2008 4:55 PM:

" I suppose BBC and CNN are also part of the wide-reaching Bush Administration? Pure brilliance! What better way to avoid suspicion of it being an inside job than to have major news outlets report on it before it happened! Absolute genius! "

To Lee Bowers wrote on Aug 22, 2008 3:50 PM:

" I don't believe CNN reported the collapse before it occured. If I am wrong, please prove it. Also, I don't believe it could have been an inside job because, as previously pointed out, Bush did not act "Presidential". An orchestrated inside job would have required Bush and his administration acting "Presidential" after the collapse. Otherwise, you are asking us to believe they deliberately sabotaged their own orchestrated deceitful attack. "

Izzy fabin wrote on Aug 22, 2008 3:45 PM:

" Michael laments a lack of critical analysis regarding not wanting Barack Hussein Obama as president- a lack of answering "why". Well, sometimes the simplest and easiest way to make a point is to let his quotes speak for themselves, as Peeping Gene and others have previuously done. Just put the quote out there. Simple and straightforward. "

FatBastard....Look Harsch.... wrote on Aug 22, 2008 2:02 PM:

" Michael used the word "segue"! Isn't that hilarious? "

To Michael wrote on Aug 22, 2008 2:01 PM:

" Do you deny that Barack Hussein obama made the quotes noted by Peeping Gene? Do you really think pointing these quotes out is some kind of anti-Obama surge? I say-these are actual quotes--if it causes people to be anti-Obama, then Obama only has himself to blame. After all, he is the one that said them.....but, if the quotes cause people to like Obama, more power to him. He said it...whatever happens is on him. "

Lee Bowers tests the waters wrote on Aug 22, 2008 1:57 PM:

" Lemme see here. Will Jimmy allow an off/topic blog? I hope so. I'm a faithful participant. But in an election year where both candidates are morphing into George Bush, I must try to comment on something even more surreal. NIST has finally determined what brought down Trade Center 7. It was fire. Yep, first time in the history of steel structured buildings that fire caused total destruction. Oh, and never mind that both CNN and the BBC reported the collapse BEFORE it occurred. Now that's a blankin miracle aint it? "

To Harsch wrote on Aug 22, 2008 1:51 PM:

" Why would it matter if Illinois already had laws that protect the "Born Alive"? Would another law have somehow negateted that? It simply makes no sense that he would have spoke against it...apparently every single other person was fine with it. He was the lone hold out. His speaking against this act is indicative of a lack of concern for societies most vulnerable members. For shame, Mr. Obama. "

Michael Welch To Bowers Re The Chosen... wrote on Aug 22, 2008 12:50 PM:

" Welch vs --?! OY! Welch in 'tights' -- NOT a pretty sight! Oh 'Bowers' you're such a cynic but of course your implication IS correct -- WE do NOT choose the president; the president is 'chosen' for 'US.' Yup... "

Harsch..Bravo Welch wrote on Aug 22, 2008 12:50 PM:

" Two brilliant posts by Michael. Cagefighter, 'despite' my 'assertions' you failed to address my assertions. Obama did vote against the state of Illinois' act, but only because it was not the same as the federal act, and because Illinois already has laws that protect the 'born alive'. If you really want to contribute content, simply do it. "

Cagefighter wrote on Aug 22, 2008 11:32 AM:

" Despite Harsch's assertions, Barack Hussein Obama was the only Senator to vote against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act. This would have prevented rogue doctors from killing babies already born. Killing the unborn would have still been perfectly legal, but I guess that isn't good enough nowadays. "

Michael Welch And What I Wanna Know Men Is Where... wrote on Aug 22, 2008 11:31 AM:

" Of course one may question Obama's 'experience' but actually it's as much as say Abraham Lincoln's in 1860. And as for McCain, twenty years o' schoolin' an' they put ya on the day shift -- his 'accomplishments' are window dressing for campaign financiers, only a prettying up of a LONG AGO thoroughly corrupted process. Other than that he has voted for wars on end, once in a while had the shivers over deficit spending (no more he says now -- tax cuts? bring 'em on!) and pandered shamelessly to the religio righties such as comment here daily. He however apparently pays (we don't KNOW though we do?) considerable property tax? And WHERE ARE THOSE EIGHT HOUSES? North Phoenix, Sedona and where else? Jim, get on that will ya please?... "

Michael Welch Obama Is Not Lefty Waiting... wrote on Aug 22, 2008 11:22 AM:

" The campaign is a statistical toss up it's said; obviously the reaction then is 'go negative.' But what I've termed the 'underground' anti-Obama 'surge' has gone on for MONTHS right here on Jimmy's blog; it's old news to us regulars. The psst wanna buy a dirty post card? Roveians have peddled Obama the 'crypto-Muslim' as their facade for racism; but it is a religio-ethnic politics most familiar to say European Jews, which is why so FEW of them are still technically 'European' anymore. 'Obama the leftist' as I -- a genuine 'leftist' -- have noted is 'bait and switch.' NO ONE is a real 'leftist' who wants to segue from one imperial oil war in Iraq to another in Afghanistan. Why would Obama, a supposed 'leftist,' want to intensify the Afghan war? Hey righties, here's a challenge -- say why... "

Peeping Gene wrote on Aug 22, 2008 11:09 AM:

" Yes, I still think the liberal media is 100% pro-Obama. Just because they are trying to not make it obvious doesn't change anything. Barack Hussein Obama actually said the folowing: "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. Please join with me as we try to change it." Also "I will tax you into properity." People, this is not parody or satire. He actually said these things. How often do you see these quotes in the liberal media? "

Lee Bowers wrote on Aug 22, 2008 10:42 AM:

" Actually, I find the Harsch/Welch v Cagefighter/Krause debates much more interesting than Obama's tussle with McCain. Much more interesting. Now, if we could just get the networks to cover it, I might start watching the news again. "

Harsch wrote on Aug 22, 2008 10:10 AM:

" Fox News, for instance, tries to have it both ways, boasting of their ratings and whinging about the liberal media fawning over Obama. the other night that thing called Coulter described on Fox an Obama who would chase children across an operating room to slaughter them. Such breathtakingly bizarre commentary, not by the way stilled by Hannity, is hopefully the result of a desperate person representing, or speaking to, a warped minority. It was of course over the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, which Obama supported in its federal form. The good news is that supporters of McCain are disgusted by his lies--such as this latter--and are beginning to speak out. "

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