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To ten ten pm wrote on Sep 23, 2008 9:13 AM:

" Good. At least I have accomplished that. You now have a word to put to your belief. As stated below, I believe the evidence shows otherwise. Humans don't rise from the dead, true. Which makes the fact that Jesus did a miracle. If you have time, read the two books I referenced below and let me know how thorough you think McDowell and Strobel were in laying out the evidence, for and against. Good luck to you. "

To nine o five am poster wrote on Sep 22, 2008 10:10 PM:

" Ok, you just helped me realize that a better word for what happened was a trick. Humans do not rise from the dead. "

To ten thirty nine pm wrote on Sep 22, 2008 9:05 AM:

" I believe you may have just answered your own question. Despite the evidence to the contrary(Evidence That Demands A Verdict by Josh McDowell and The Case for Easter by Lee Strobel), you do not believe a miracle took place. That is, you do not believe Jesus rose from the dead. You believe there was "no miracle". I believe a miracle did take place. Again, the dictionary does say a miracle is real. It says an event. An event, by definition, is real. If something is staged or fake, it is not a miracle. It is a trick. "

To Karl Kovacs and nine forty five am poster wrote on Sep 19, 2008 10:39 PM:

" Yes there can if it is staged which would make it fake. I guess I may be over thinking this but since the dictionary doesn't say a miracle has to be true how do you know for sure if it is. For example, I don't believe Jesus "arouse" from the dead. I don't believe people can do that. Therefore, I don't believe he was dead in the first place which would make that so called "miracle"... fake. Again, I'm just using the actual definition of miracle from the dictionary. Besides, Jimmy is the one that started the blog about "real miracles". "

Karl Kovacs wrote on Sep 19, 2008 11:33 AM:

" Whoever posted at 9:11pm..WHAT THE HE-- ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!? An "event" is real, right? Can there be a "fake" event? Geez, everytime I refer to an event I don't specify that the event was real. It is understood. Think about it awhile, and good luck with this dillema. So long from the Sunshine state! "

To nine eleven pm wrote on Sep 19, 2008 9:45 AM:

" You're overthinking this. It really isn't confusing. If something isn't real, it wouldn't be a miracle. It would not fit the definition you provided. There is no such thing as a "fake miracle". If it is fake, it is not a miracle. "

To nine o four am poster wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:11 PM:

" I just looked up the definition of miracle. Here's what it says: #1 an extraordinary event manifesting divine intervention in human affairs. #2 an extremely outstanding or unusual event,thing, or accomplishment. #3 a divinely natural phenomenon experienced humanly as the fulfillment of spiritual law. The dictionary doesn't explicitly say a miracle must be real. Now you have me more confused. "

To to oops wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:04 AM:

" See 9/12 3:14pm post. I think that addresses what you are asking. If something is not real, it would not be a miracle. By definition, a miracle must be real. "

To oops wrote on Sep 17, 2008 9:43 PM:

" So it is redundant. Do "real miracles" fall in between "compelling evidence" and "outright proof"? You said that's where your faith comes in. Now, does that make better sense to you? "

To To Oops wrote on Sep 17, 2008 8:51 AM:

" You have to clarify. I am honestly not sure what you are asking. As I said, the term "real miracle" is redundant. "

To oops wrote on Sep 16, 2008 9:29 PM:

" You appear to be bright enough. Instead of avoiding the question by saying my comment doesn't make sense, why don't you answer the question? "

oops wrote on Sep 16, 2008 10:10 AM:

" I realize I better clarify, as the people here love to jump all over any slip of phrase. I should have said "real miracles" is redundant, not an oxymoron. Either way, the ten twenty pm question makes no sense.... "

To ten twenty pm wrote on Sep 16, 2008 10:04 AM:

" Real miracle is an oxymoron. "

To nine eighteen am poster wrote on Sep 15, 2008 10:20 PM:

" Do "real miracles" fall somewhere in between there too? "

To Michael wrote on Sep 15, 2008 9:18 AM:

" Agreed. As you have said, we have been around that block hundreds of times. If you or I could "prove" our point to the other, we wouldn't be having this discussion. The area between "compelling evidence" and "outright proof" is where my faith comes in. "

Michael Welch In A Totally Different Dimension... wrote on Sep 13, 2008 12:19 PM:

" Yeah I take the point about 'evidence' -- we've been around that block oh it seems HUNDREDS of times but I still contend that the 'evidence' is based upon 'faith' -- that the gospels ARE indeed historical accounts for one, and the other is that, as I said below, 'Christianity exists!' therefore it is! And many many folks 'believed' for centuries though of course NOT ALL believed in the exact same things about Christianity did they? I'm not arguing those points again really; I'm saying that even aliens in spaceships are 'corporeal,' i. e. REAL BODIES, while the Christian God is to be living in a non-corporeal realm which is actually another 'dimension.' That dimension is 'here' and 'there' and 'nowhere' at the same time. That's magical thinking, which you can believe in sure but can never 'prove'... "

To three fourteen pm poster wrote on Sep 12, 2008 10:03 PM:

" Would these be "real miracles" then? "

Lee Bowers wrote on Sep 12, 2008 3:23 PM:

" To sort of bring everything together, in my view, the goal of the Anunnaki is the New World Order, a fascist state where human beings are little more than slaves, which, ironically, was the reason for our creation in the first place. It's the horror that Orwell details in "1984" Just check out the all-seeing eye on your dollar bill. At any rate, I think the precipitating event bringing about the NWO will be a conflict between the US and China. "

To Michael wrote on Sep 12, 2008 3:14 PM:

" You misunderstand. I don't mean there is simply evidence that people believe it, but that there is evidence that WHAT these people believe is true. In his book "Evidence That Demands A Verdict", Josh McDowell doesn't merely list names of people who are Christians, he lays out the evidence which he feels supports his and their beliefs. I find this evidence very compelling. I understand from previous dialogues with you that you do not. Fulfillment of Old Testament Prophecy, eyewitness accounts of miracles, the empty tomb, etc., is put forth as evidence that Jesus was who he claimed to be. Given this, it is not out of the realm of reason to expect that what Jesus tells us about God, spirits, etc. is accurate. smx "

Lee Bowers wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:25 PM:

" According to Burk's Peerage, 34 of the 43 American presidents have royal blood-are descendents of Charlemagne. Ever wonder why the elite in this country intermarry with each other? It's for the production of children- to protect the bloodline-keep it pure. Of course, most of them have affairs, but when it comes to children, they do that mostly with their wives. "

Michael Welch The Things That Youre Liable To Read In The Bible --... wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:57 PM:

" If my critic below means to say that Christianity has 'evidence,' well it has evidence that it certainly exists! MY argument is that the assumption that there IS a 'supernatural' realm of invisible spirits that live and function maainly within another dimension is a matter of 'faith,' not science or history. On that basis 'Bowers' (see below) is arguing for as I said something that is unusual to many ears but is NOT predicated on any 'unseen' dimension totally dependent upon your religious dogma. My critic cannot PROVE that invisible dimension exists of course but might say there is 'evidence' people believe in it; sure but as we know that doesn't 'necessary' make it so... "

Lee Bowers wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:30 PM:

" It is my belief that the Anunnaki have guided and shaped world history since their arrival on Earth to the present day. I contend that most of the kings, queens, princes, dictators, prime ministers, presidents, people in authority or those who control power from behind the scenes are Anunnaki. They have a different DNA than human beings, but look like human beings (after all we were created in their image). It's in the blood so to speak. Ask yourself how many American presidents have royal blood? The Bushes do; Clinton does; Washington did; just to name a few. Is this just a coincidence? Not in my book. It explains, at least to me, how they can send us off to war with no qualms whatsoever. Their genetic make-up is simply lacking the empathy that most human beings possess. "

Michael Welch So Whats Your Evidence... wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:05 PM:

" I just don't see that your 'evidence' is as logical as his. Run it by me again please... "

To Michael wrote on Sep 12, 2008 12:25 PM:

" I beg to differ. Creationists and Christians have laid out evidence in support of their beliefs. Although the evidence is not conclusive it is compelling. Although you reject the evidence, it at least exists. When it comes to matters of faith, "logical" doesn't always get you where you need to go, as the supernatural is sort of illogical by definition. But, the historical evidence has been discussed on these boards. While Bowers is very articulate in stating what he believes, his evidence consists mainly of others opinions and is less compelling, imho. He and I are both in agreement, however, that molecules-to-man evolution is junk science. "

Michael Welch Two Creationist Views... wrote on Sep 12, 2008 11:59 AM:

" You can see two main objectives in this 'discussion' below -- 'Bowers' is trying to present an, admittedly, unusual understanding of religion and science and his responder is apparently ONLY interested in dissing 'Big Spender' with a childish reply devoid of any actual thought. We know the REAL objective of 'creationism' and 'intelligent design' is to proselytize for the Christian idea of 'God' -- for if evolution is a false understanding THEN you're presumably stuck with that Great Unruly Child of Genesis. 'Bowers' at least posits 'creators' who live in our universe, in our dimensions, on particular planets -- NOT a pseudo spirit who resides everywhere and nowhere at once. That's why I say that between the biblical 'creationism' and 'Lee's presentation of an alternative 'creationist' theory, 'Bower's is the more logical... "

Lee Bowers wrote on Sep 12, 2008 8:05 AM:

" The Annunaki used Mars as sort of a way station on their way to Earth. In fact, according to the clay tablets of the Sumerians, the Annunaki set up a base there and in all probability erected the famous face on Mars. Never heard of the face? Google "Face on Mars" for a gander. "

To Lee Bowers wrote on Sep 11, 2008 4:39 PM:

" If I were to use the modus operandi of Big Spender, I would discuss and debate this evidence with you. Then, on a subsequent blog, if the subject came up again, I would feign complete ignorance and write "What is your evidence for this?" "

Lee Bowers wrote on Sep 11, 2008 2:31 PM:

" The ancient Sumerian clay tablets tell the tale of the Annunaki who came to earth some 400,000 years ago in search of gold. They created human beings through genetic experimentation as a slave race to mine for gold. Their two leaders were Enlil and Enki. Enlil is the basis of the god of the Old Testament, a cruel vicious person, whereas Enki was kind and generous to the human creation bringing knowledge and culture to the Sumerians. Two sources: The 12th Planet by Zecharia Sitchin and Michael Tellinger's Slave Species of god. "

Lee Bowers wrote on Sep 11, 2008 2:14 PM:

" Well, I made a post early this morning, but it got lost somewhere. Try, try again. There is no rational explanation for the pyraminds at Giza, the Nazca Lines, Stonehenge, and Easter Island but that they were creations of extra-terrestrials. These wonders are simply beyond human capabilities. I would like to know if anyone tried a google of "UFO's and Ancient Art"--when I first saw these works of ancient art (many with Christian themes) with space ships in them I was amazed. "

Michael Welch This I Believe... wrote on Sep 11, 2008 11:58 AM:

" I do believe in Darwinian evolution BUT I can agree that the 'alien' scenario COULD reasonably be true; and as I wrote it makes more 'sense' than a 'God' Who exists in a totally different and incomprehensible dimension and Whose behavior appears strangely arbitrary and Who has, moreover, seemed to be permanently 'in retirement' since about oh 700-600 BCE. I do accept that mythologies can be BASED upon historical occurrence -- see especially Robert Graves' 'The Greek Myths' and even his fascinating 'take' on the Jesus story in 'King Jesus.' I believe gods are 'projections' of both human perception of reality AND of interior 'dreams' -- God is after all the 'ultimate' parental superego a la Freud. 'Bowers' believes the 'key' is the Sumerian and Egyptian mythologies which are of course what the Hebraic religion is based upon... "

Luscious Johnny wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:23 PM:

" Michaels comment that LB's 9/8 2:28pm post is historically logical pretty much says it all. You realize, Michael, that goes against Darwinian Evolution, don't you? "

Michael Welch Vive La Difference... wrote on Sep 10, 2008 12:56 PM:

" Rick and I 'don't always agree' of course; I however know he is a very humane man and far more tolerant of silliness than I -- or else he wouldn't have continued OUR friendship for so many years! Rick likes honesty and is not so seduced by intellectual cleverness as I -- for an example I STILL retain a certain fondness for the sexual provocateur of the uh 'politics of looks,' Camille Paglia, while Rick is dismissive. I think Palin is fascinating as a rather gauche form of populism and McCain is (ironically!) surviving politically on his bombing of the Vietnamese and their uh 'reaction' to that. I think Obama is a professor who is too smart for what he has to do but that Biden could (does) do it without blanche by the way... "

Michael Welch I Dream Of A God For Slaves... wrote on Sep 10, 2008 12:40 PM:

" Re: 'Lee' I think his contention that in the vast vast vast universe there MUST be other 'life forms' and some may well be advanced to the point that compared to ours they'd be 'the gods' is FAR MORE historically 'logical' than the mythologies. I view religious mythologies as projections of the human psyche a la Freud, not 'rational' but 'emotive,' and since I don't see humanity as an epitome of living being I can emphasize with 'LB's idea of a servile species -- in fact the right wingers commenting here ARE really VERY servile to corporate powers and the oily warS. Also the God of the Bible has His admirable aspects but in general He behaves like an angry spoiled overgrown and VERY dangerous child... "

Michael Welch Zeus Lives But Not In The White House... wrote on Sep 10, 2008 12:30 PM:

" Actually I don't 'blame the media' for bulimics and anorexics; and I don't blame the bulimics and anorexics either for that matter. The 'politics of looks' as Harsch put it has an interest for me but it is usually misleading. The enthusiasm for Palin rests, in the main, on her conventional religious rightie connects and endorsements and the uh, well, 'look' of her family which obviously, like all families, has its interior side that we don't see but which matters too if we're going to publicize the polished veneer for political benefit. Politicians are not gods and goddesses of course; they are employees of the rich and powerful and substitute for them at times but they are not 'Zeus' in Person... "

To Harsch wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:50 AM:

" Welch posted a comment regarding bulimia and whether the media is responsible for these types of eating disorders. The same day he made a comment regarding Palin eating too many french fries(her fat face). If you don't see the connection, you should take a 5 or 10 hour course on irony at your school. "

Harsch wrote on Sep 9, 2008 6:15 PM:

" I have posted no comments regarding the appearance of Palin, and I do not plan to do so. I responded sarcastically to some idiot saying Welch was responsible for someone's eating disorders. Congratulate me or not, I am not interested in the politics of looks. "

Karl to Rick Harsch wrote on Sep 9, 2008 3:20 PM:

" Well, you are the one working more and teaching more so you can support bums drinking habits. Who is brainwashed again? "

To Michael wrote on Sep 9, 2008 3:18 PM:

" I know that Rick is your biggest fan. But, I still know that he has disagreed with you. I thought he was thinking for himself when stating that your comments regarding Sarah Palins fat face were shameful(particularly after you made a post on another board regarding young girls and bulimia). If I am mistaken, I must apologize and take my "congrats" back. "

Harsch...Without Ideals or Violence wrote on Sep 9, 2008 1:31 PM:

" The response of the brainwashed to my anecdote is marvelously dim; the guy in the wheelchair is supported by the state, but not obscenely so, and runs out of ready cash quite often. He seems to drink a lot, more than the state bargains for, but probably something I would do if I found myself in a wheelchair in my 60s on the Mediterranean. The utopia of the brainwashed seems to involve the utopian standing in a parking lot surrounded by hundreds of hungry old farts in wheelchairs, holding up a dime to see who can jump high enough to get it. "

Michael Welch Rick An Me... wrote on Sep 9, 2008 1:04 PM:

" Rick of course is 'on my side' -- such as it is -- and was NOT criticizing me. We sometimes share the cynical as well as the quaint 'turn of phrase' and others get confused -- either innocently or deliberately eh -- but Rickie and I love each just as much as 'Fabin' loves 'Cagefighter.' Well okay not THAT much but nearly!... "

Lee Bowers wrote on Sep 9, 2008 12:46 PM:

" Baby out with the bathwater? Not at all. I do admit to tossing the god of the Bible. That old boy needed the heave-ho. I simply propose that there is a greater God, who is beyond all knowing. Ah, the mysteries of life.... "

Lee Bowers wrote on Sep 9, 2008 12:39 PM:

" Ah yes, but who created the aliens? God. "

At least wrote on Sep 9, 2008 12:11 PM:

" Lee recognizes that the complexity of human life wasn't some random accident of incredibly lucky chaos. His alien theory is at least a logical step up from the Darwinian idea of order out of chaotic explosions. I understand his resistance to believing in a God creation, because of the corruption in man run churches, he throws everything that any man run church says. Unfortunately he winds up throwing the baby out with the bathwater. "

Michael Welch Hemingway Profanes The Gods... wrote on Sep 9, 2008 12:03 PM:

" Thanks 'Uncle Lee' for having the guts to explain the weird (to many of us) without flinching; when I think indeed of my own religious devotion to 'Holywood' let us say, the genetic code does certainly appear much different 'from the rest of us' re: Scott Fitzgerald. But that opens me to Papa Hem's topping back crack which recalls another Hem hates Hollywood story: once a producer wanted EH to change the title of 'The Short Happy Life of Francis MacComber' to a marquee pleaser and Hems, responding via telephone from Sun valley, said 'How about "F" as in 20th Century Fox, "U" as in Universal City, "C" as in Culver City and "K" as in RKO?' The line went dead... "

Michael Welch When Speaking Of Goddesses --... wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:51 AM:

" Actually this is sort of interesting -- IF the young Elizabeth Taylor or Vivien Leigh is not deemed inordinately 'beautiful' for all, then I admit my subjectivity; also I do find the 'Hollywood version' compelling but of course it is illusionary for the rest of us and an effort for young ambitious DNA favored (re: 'Lee') women. I remember reading a story about the exquisite Natalie Wood and how she added only the smallest dollop of mayonnaise to her canned tuna -- the 'price' of that tiny waist. But Natalie Wood is Natalie Wood, for in the movies one lives forever a la Mt Olympus, and you realize eh that you are NOT speaking of 'ordinary folk' but of 'goddesses' on earth. (Dat's da trut'! DEFINITELY!...) "

Karl to Harsch wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:50 AM:

" I don't think the post is bizarre at all. The poster was commending you for blasting Michael for his sexist posts(I don't recall him saying anything about McCains fat face and jowls). "

Re Harsch and Slovenia wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:44 AM:

" Your example of helping the man in the wheelchair is a great example of charity which is voluntary as opposed to Government mandated. I would love to throw some old guys in wheelchairs a bone once in awhile, but I don't want the Government reaching into my pocket to do it for me. Just think, if your Government allowed you to keep more of what you earn, you would be able to make the choice whether you wish to teach so often. "

Re Lee aBowers ten am wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:40 AM:

" We interpret this evidence differently. I see it as evidence for an intelligent designer(God), whereas you see it as evidence for aliens. "

Lee Bowers wrote on Sep 9, 2008 10:38 AM:

" For an interesting experience, google "UFO's in Ancient Works of Art"...among other things there's a 15th century painting called The Madonna with Saint Giovannino with UFO's; there's a 1710 painting, The Baptism of Christ, with a huge UFO observing the baptism; and there are more UFO's seen in a 1350 painting entitled, The Crucifixion. Interesting stuff indeed "

Lee Bowers wrote on Sep 9, 2008 10:00 AM:

" What we see in our DNA is a program consisting of two versions, a big code and basic code. First fact is, the complete 'program' was positively not written on Earth, that is now a verfied fact. The second fact is that genes, by themselves, are not enough to explain evolution; there must be something more 'in the game'-Professor Sam Chang, group leader of the Human Genome Project "

Lee Bowers wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:55 AM:

" "Our hypothesis is that a higher extraterrestrial life form was engaged in creating new life and planting it on various planets. Earth is just one of them.-Professor Sam Chang of the Human Genome Project "

Harsch on Slovenia and Kevins secret angst wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:54 AM:

" I very happily pay 50% taxes, getting back what the government decides I should based on a progressive tax system. The result is these taxes are social programs beyond the scope of the American expectation. Of course, if this were paradise I would not be teaching so much, but there's an old feller here in Izola in a wheelchair, who habitually bums smokes and euros off me, which I consider a sort of luxury tax. Anyone who would not be pleased to help a man such as him ought to, well, stay in America. "

Lee Bowers wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:52 AM:

" Regarding evolution, Carl Sagan pointed out that the fossil record reveals a sudden and inexplicable leap in human brain-function that cannot be explained by the claims of Charles Darwin. "

Harsch to Michael wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:50 AM:

" Today's 8:55 is one of the most bizarre posts I've ever read. What do you make of it? "

Harsh wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:49 AM:

" A major component of Republican strategy is to brainwash the majority of their constituency into accepting that the very very wealthy must be that way and more. R & D is sound business practice, and as a recent tour of Slovene companies involved in the ship building sector demonstrated to me, it does not require vast sumes of money to conduct it, even in-house. More revealing, it does not need to be in-house, and a great deal of R 6 D is carried out collaboratively between industry and academia on a very practical, case by case, and relatively very inexpensive level. "

Yeah Michael wrote on Sep 9, 2008 8:55 AM:

" What were you thinking with that comment anyway? Harsch, congrats on not always taking Michaels side and thinking for yourself. "

To Lee Bowers wrote on Sep 9, 2008 8:30 AM:

" The Government is trying to rid our nation of any references to Christianity. So, their cover-up of UFO's would appear to be counter-productive. "

Izzy re liberalatheist playbook wrote on Sep 9, 2008 8:22 AM:

" Exactly. Well stated. Big Spender was still at it last night, claiming to becompletely unaware of any evidence for Christianity. "

Kevin wrote on Sep 9, 2008 7:13 AM:

" I do have another question: Perhaps Gillman, Harsch, Welch or Smith can answer. Why, if the Bush tax cuts are sooooo bad, is Obama suggesting that in light of a weak economy, he will postpone rescinding them? This suggests of course that businesses need that money to expand, pay employees, and actually do a bit of R&D, more than the government? Tax cuts good then? Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach him to fish he eats until he catches all the fish, then you have teach him something else. Sorry off topic and not nearly as funny as Welch and Harschs acidic, satire? "

Kevin wrote on Sep 9, 2008 7:06 AM:

" Look at all the fun I missed, whilst working. I need to move to Slovenia where everything is free and I don't have to work and carry anyone that is less fortunate. Help, I am being repressed, oh yeah, I am a white guy, mostly conservative, I control the world. "

harsch wrote on Sep 8, 2008 5:18 PM:

" I had no idea Welch was responsible for bulimic chicks--shame, Michael, SHAME! "

liberalatheist play book for blogs wrote on Sep 8, 2008 5:02 PM:

" A)call anyone who disagrees with you names like, ignorant.

B)when people who disagree with you post evidence of their position:
1)change the arguement
2)use different meanings for terms

C)if the people continue to disagree with you then make posts with many points and state them as absolute facts, even if some of the points have been refuted in step B). (This usually overloads the refuters and causes them to leave.)

D)If the opposition leaves the discussion declare victory.

E)If the opposition sticks around, declare victory, call the opposition names, and you leave.

F)Show up on another blog and declare something like "no one has been able to answered my question...." and prepare to start over from A). "

Lee Bowers wrote on Sep 8, 2008 4:41 PM:

" One reason, of course, for the government's cover-up of UFO's is that acknowledgement of them undermines most organized religions, particularly Christianity. Just remember it was the US military that reported a UFO had crashed at Roswell. "

Lee Bowers wrote on Sep 8, 2008 4:32 PM:

" Serious. "

Rochester Observer regarding Big Spender wrote on Sep 8, 2008 4:07 PM:

" Big Spender is just a troll who posts the same things over and over to get a reaction. As Josh McDowell points out is his book "Evidence That Demands A Verdict", anyone who states that there is no more evidence for the Christian God than there is for Zeus is being intellectually dishonest. "

Izzy Fabin wrote on Sep 8, 2008 3:57 PM:

" Big Spender is at it again on the Coulee Christian blog. And surprise, he asks AGAIN what evidence someone has for the Christian God. I swear, he asked that exact same question on these blogs repeatedly, and the last couple times someone accurately "predicted" he would disappear and show up on another blog asking the same questions. I split a gut reading his comment that the existence of a beagle is proof of molecules to man evolution. The 1:25pm poster on this blog gives Big Spender way too much credit with the t-ball analogy. In T-ball, you at least somewhat understand the game. "

Re two twenty eight pm wrote on Sep 8, 2008 3:03 PM:

" I can honestly say I am not sure if that post is parody or serious. "

Lee Bowers wrote on Sep 8, 2008 2:28 PM:

" Basically, man was created by an alien race about 400,000 years ago through genetic engineering. This is documented in the clay tablets of the Sumerians, the first advanced civilization on Earth. Though many bloggers will ridicule the notion of extraterrestrials, I contend that such ridicule is not only misplaced, but is emblematic of the most arrogant attitude of all-that in the vastness of the universe, there is no other life but that which resides on the 3rd Rock from the sun. "

To Re Big Spender wrote on Sep 8, 2008 1:25 PM:

" Are you kidding? Putting Big Spender up against the likes of Dr David Menton would be like sending a little-leaguer to play t-ball against the Yankees. Big Spender likes to brag about opposing skinhead nazis, but he is just as bigoted against Christians. Uh, Mr Big Spender, I am sure the likes of Dr Menton grasp evolution just fine. I can't post links, but look up his biography on the web. His understanding is greater than yours ever will be. "

Michael Welch Quod Erat Demonstrandum... wrote on Sep 8, 2008 12:48 PM:

" Also a friend of mine sent me a '9 Chickwood Lane' comic strip with the subject 'Darwin was a fool: there is a God' in which the Lucy-like 25 cent 'proof du jour' professor contends that, among other things, 'Nothing vaguely resembling evolution could have produced a species capable of excreting stupidity, viciousness, cowardice, murder, cruelty, hatred and self-destruction in such unlimited volumes. Ergo: Darwin was a fool [and] there is a God.' So 'Will prayer help?' it is asked. 'You haven't one' as in 'you haven't got a prayer' is the answer... "

Michael Welch Uncle Lee -- Tell Us A Story... wrote on Sep 8, 2008 12:34 PM:

" I'd like 'Lee' to discuss the book he mentions and explain why it DOES NOT imply that the Christian religion is the 'correct' one OR, for that matter, that the biblical god is at all uh 'good.' I mean as long as I'm the ONLY one (so far) who has written 'on topic' maybe 'LB' could turn this neverending evolution shpiel into something less repetitive and monotonous. So 'Lee'? You're on!?... "

Bam Neely wrote on Sep 8, 2008 12:22 PM:

" On the contrary, Michael, I believe people such as yourself are responsible for womens eating disorders. Calling Palin fat(albeit in not so many words) on another blog, accusing her of eating too many fries with her mooseburgers or other such nonsense. This is precisely the type of comments from our male-dominated society that pushes young women and girls over the edge. You should be ashamed. "

Michael Welch Hollywood Visions Of The LIGHT Fantastic... wrote on Sep 8, 2008 11:38 AM:

" In Hollywood the necessity for women 'leads' and for those aspiring starlets was that one have an inordinately thin waist while still maintaining a uh 'significant' bust line. This was often difficult to accomplish simultaneously -- and so, before implants, Hollywood invented mechanical 'uplift' plus a shoulders back posture and indeed in many scenes say Hedy Lamarr and Susan Hayward (both 'modestly' but not 'inadequately' endowed) would be backed against a wall or pillar in order to 'straighten up and push out.' Elizabeth Taylor (later notorious for overeating -- making up?) in 'Ivanhoe' has this incredibly swelte figure while retaining her larger than average (then) bosom: wow; I mean wow. So is Hollywood at fault for eating disorders? Hmm. Ask Jane Fonda... "

Lee Bowers wrote on Sep 8, 2008 10:52 AM:

" That's "Slave Species of god"; sorry for the typo "

Lee Bowers wrote on Sep 8, 2008 10:48 AM:

" Jimmy, since we're off topic, please let me chip in on the evolution thing. I am not a Christian, but I think evolution is a flawed theory. There are too many big "jumps" in the development of man that evolution does not explain. An interesting book on this is Micael Tellinger's "Slave Species of Gold." "

Re Big Spender wrote on Sep 8, 2008 8:22 AM:

" I hope Jimmy will permit me to stray off topic just a little. As far as Big Spender, regarding front page web story on the sight concerning Coulee Christian, it is a total fabrication that Christians don't "grasp" evolution. Sometimes Christians "grasp" the concept better than most other lay people and Christian scientists "grasp" it more than evolutionists. Look at Dr David Menton. I would put his opinions and credentials up against the best of the evolutionists anyday. Yes, they "grasp" it just fine. Which is why they reject it. Heck, put Christianity aside. Evolution(molecules to man, that is) is simply bad science. "

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