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Michael Welch Leaving The Dark Side... wrote on Oct 23, 2008 1:08 PM:

" I would also invite 'Cagefighter' to leave 'the dark side' for the 'light' but that IS probably TOO MUCH to hope for... "

Michael Welch It Goes On Judah It Goes On... wrote on Oct 23, 2008 1:01 PM:

" Probably NOTHING is EVER REALLY 'resolved' here because nothing ever stops the right wingies from literally TRIVIALIZING EVERYTHING. 'It goes on' -- like Messala's vindictive 'race' against Ben Hur, even after every rightie 'idea' has died a thousand times on the points of its own self ridicule. Maybe 'you' -- whoever 'you' are -- CAN'T do any 'better' but I TRY to be hopeful... "

Cagefighter wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:24 AM:

" To my responder at 815--yeah, I hear you. Michael and I have butted heads many times--I am familiar with his "style", and realize that in his own way he was trying to be helpful. So, I just thought we could all move on to real discussions...I do realize he sometimes does make his opinion "fact" and he does hold his friends to different standards than he does others. I have called him on that and will continue to do so. But, for the time being, I thought we could all just step away... "

To Cagefighter wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:15 PM:

" No offense, but I'm really disappointed in you. Welch slammed you over and over in his 1:40 post and you fall all over yourself thanking him? Just because he threw you a bone and said you're smarter than that? That's just sad that you let this narrow-minded bully verbally slap you like that. I'd love to know what matters he's referring to that are 'resolved'. This is someone who thinks his 'opinions' are 'facts'. "

Michael Welch A Suggestion... wrote on Oct 22, 2008 1:23 PM:

" We're talkin' WWII blues, what's 'anti-American' and such on the latest three Jim blogs -- get in on it if you have something to add; but no more 'Hussein' okay? It's been 'done' to death hmm... "

Cagefighter wrote on Oct 21, 2008 3:23 PM:

" Thanks, Mike. Sometimes I do get bogged down in the trivial, true. Most of the time my reasoning has to do with trying to hold other posters accountable for what they write, and dig deeper-maybe word things differently or expand on them,in an effort to generate better discussion. Alas, most of the time I fail. Anyway, thanks for the kind words. "

Michael Welch Cf -- Let Yourself OUT Of The Trivia Maze... wrote on Oct 21, 2008 1:40 PM:

" I never mind an intelligent exchange but when YOU can obviously engage in one WHY in the hell do you waste so much on trivial junk such as harassing BGS and Harsch over matters that are obvious and actually 'resolved'? What is the pleasure in being so knitpicky and therefore making yourself appear inane and dull when you are clearly capable of doing better? Why dive to the 'Hussein' level which only looks desperate and frankly ultra silly and has LONG lost its entertainment value except for the childish -- it's CHILDREN who love continual repetition. So if I irritate you, you irritate me too but still I think you're 'smarter' than you often let yourself be... "

Cagefighter to Welch wrote on Oct 20, 2008 3:33 PM:

" Thanks for the advice, Michael. You may be right regarding the Constitution Party. You do frustrate me at times, but you also give me things to think about on occassion. Thanks again. "

Michael Welch The Constitution Party Is The Party For You... wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:00 PM:

" Both 'Bowers' and I commented below on WHY the Republican administrations NEVER really do much about abortion despite the inevitable highly ratcheted campaign rhetoric -- THEY don't WANT the issue 'resolved' in any apparent manner but EVER available to exploit every four years. AND I thought 'Bowers' particularly perceptive when he said that neither Roberts nor Alito would vote to 'overturn,' per se, Roe; and I observed that McCain even promised in the last debate that HE would have NO 'litmus test' (read ANTI-abortion assurance) for any of his judicial appointments. (Advice to 'Cf': check out the CONSTITUTION party; you'll like it much better I'm certain...) "

Cagefighter to Welch wrote on Oct 20, 2008 8:48 AM:

" You are correct regarding Ron Paul. Thank you for pointing that out. I do not agree with him, as I would be FOR a "human life amendment". To me it is a no-brainer-whether people agree or not, we need laws to protect those who would choose to cause them harm-not just in "certain" states, but in ALL states. "

BrianGSmith wrote on Oct 18, 2008 1:04 PM:

" 894th out of 899 is wiss poor....and McCain only got in the Academy because his daddy was an Admiral. I highly doubt McCain was given any serious 'command' responsibility with such a poor ranking among officers. He owes his life to the Vietnamese rice farmers whose land he was bombing. They pulled him out of the water and kept, for the most part, an angry mob from beating McCain to death. McCain should have joined the priesthood after the war to repay 'god' for such mercy placed in the hearts of our "enemies". "

Michael Welch NAW Youre Wrong Again Of Course... wrote on Oct 18, 2008 11:45 AM:

" I admit I still don't understand 'Nestor' and his obsession with the number of Jewish senators; he just WON'T be clear about his obviously troubled mind and what assumptions are the rest of us to make? IF someone else knows what this other 'old fart' REALLY is getting at, help us out huh? (Yeah more than just 'I' want to know I think.) As for it being 'racist' et. al. if I wish for a Muslim senator I think that's nonsense. Obviously OTHER qualities come into play as per Jewish senators but the point easily seen is that a society formally restrictive and prejudiced has 'overcome' to a degree. These changes ALWAYS come in 'stages' and one cannot help but see the obvious -- it's what you 'draw' from them, re: 'Nestor,' that may involve ACTUAL religious and racial prejudices... "

Michael Welch Not QUITE What You Say But Something More Nuanced... wrote on Oct 18, 2008 11:33 AM:

" Actually if you go to 'ProCon.org' and check out Paul's statements re: abortion he advocates a return to pre-Roe, meaning that he plumps for state and local action and whether for or against abortion rights he is in essence 'neutral.' Paul asserts that it is imaginary to assume that ALL Americans can agree on this issue so the pre status would mean SOME states have legal abortion, some don't and others have various levels of restriction or license. Paul is therefore AGAINST a FEDERAL law, i. e. a so called 'human life amendment.' I don't know what Bob Barr the actual Libertarian nominee wants but I assume something similar. 'Cf' do you agree with Paul?... "

To Nestor wrote on Oct 17, 2008 9:02 PM:

" You never said who that lobbyist in LaCrosse was and why Johnsrud "cut a deal" to run as a Republican. Did you know that Johnsrud has been a Republican his whole life? Do you want proof? "

Nestor wrote on Oct 17, 2008 3:44 PM:

" McCain will not get my vote, although do you realize how many cuts are made before these guys jump into a fighter. Do you realize how proficient they have to be in many different areas and facets of that plane operations. This guys are the cream of the crop.
Not my candidate though.
Either will the other one, as I do not believe cash infusion works as a stimulate in the vast majority of cases in too many situations. "

Nestor wrote on Oct 17, 2008 3:38 PM:

" I really have no wish to 'tutor' an old fart from AZ. Seems to be a "gritty/grit" writing day AZ? The Israelis have been 'gritty'?, and that must leave Palestinians with the second choice, 'terrorists'. Guess it is where you rest your head at night?

I also used a key term previously, 'adjacent'. Your list?, do you take out Velcro and see how many will stick? "

Cagefighter to Welch wrote on Oct 17, 2008 3:11 PM:

" That aside, in response to your question, my understanding is that YES, Ron Paul does oppose abortion rights. "

Kizarny wrote on Oct 17, 2008 3:02 PM:

" Michael Welch-your comment at 218 pm is very racist and offensive. Why should it matter to you WHAT color or WHAT religion a senator or a president is? "

To Lee Bowers wrote on Oct 17, 2008 3:00 PM:

" Wait a minute-your logic is atrocious here. Because 893 people received higher scores than you, it automatically follows that you are dumb? What if these 893 people were absolutely brilliant? I am sure Obama was not one of the 893? "

Re Michaels Query... wrote on Oct 17, 2008 2:57 PM:

" Yes he is. "

Lee Bowers wrote on Oct 17, 2008 2:37 PM:

" I see that McCain graduated ranked 894 out of 899 at the Naval Academy. Interesting, huh? Makes Bush seem like an intellectual. "

Michael Welch A Query... wrote on Oct 17, 2008 2:20 PM:

" Is Ron Paul then AGAINST abortion rights?... "

Michael Welch Great Day To Come... wrote on Oct 17, 2008 2:18 PM:

" I'd like to see a Muslim senator as I may well see a 'black' president. I regret the suppression of the Palestinians too but is 'Nestor' also concerned with the US occupation of MUSLIM countries -- Iraq and Afghanistan? The Israelis have created from grit and blood their 'Jewish homeland' but the real BEST 'Jewish homeland' IS indeed the United States and 'five out of six' (who? Levin, Kohl, Feingold, Coleman -- who are the other two? just curious!) sort of 'proves' it. Yeah if there ever are FIVE MUSLIM US senators (and some day hmm?!) that will be as commendable as having Jews elected by German Catholics and Norwegian Lutherans and serving them as THEIR constituents too... "

Cagefighter to Welch wrote on Oct 17, 2008 1:57 PM:

" The Libertarian Party platform takes no official position on abortion. But, Ron Paul and other Libertarians recognize that it was never the intent of Libertarians to have anarchy-that is, no Government--just that the Governments role is to be limited. And, as part of Governments limited role, they recognize that it is not only permissible, but it is the DUTY of the Government to protect individuals from those that would harm them. The idea being that the right of one person to swing his fist ends where the other persons nose begins. Simply put, your rights stop where you begin to infringe on mine. They recognize that abortion is a human rights violation of the unborn. "

Michael Welch The Degradation Of Discussion Is Obvious... wrote on Oct 17, 2008 12:53 PM:

" Also it's just SO MUCH EASIER to 'discuss' Harsch, Smith, Jimmy, me et. al., than to write about McCain's proposals or assess Obama fairly. I write usually 'mini essays' (NOTICE THAT hmm) in my initial remarks that contain NO personal attacks on YOU but the responses to them are usually minimal. RARELY is there a 'debate' on an idea that doesn't turn into an attack on the person you can't beat down intellectually. Harsch has taken 'leave' for a time it seems but his observation that all the arguing about religions gets us nowhere was apt; it even DEGRADES REAL belief he said. I agree. But no 'critic' looked beyond the parse and it all DEGRADED yes into the 'personal'... "

Michael Welch Were ALL Old Testament Gods Now... wrote on Oct 17, 2008 12:44 PM:

" I'm not going to discuss 'Welch' on other Jim blogs but I'll offer my assessment on this one. EVERYONE KNOWS what sort of anti-Obama stuff has been promulgated since last spring -- pretending you 'don't recall,' you 'don't remember' is a lawyerly trick BUT you KNOW WHAT I refer to. That said, AM I 'angry'? Often I am but does that 'distinguish' me from YOU -- I don't think so but in terms of WHAT we are 'angry' about. I have learned that commenting on a blog is NOT for 'sissies' and I accept the dirt thrown at me -- I'm a 'drug addict' supposedly is the latest -- just like Obama has to hmmm. And McCain. And Palin. 'Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot' -- SOUNDS 'primitive' but it's the REAL CREDO of this blog and others no doubt, like it or not... "

Nestor wrote on Oct 17, 2008 11:57 AM:

" OH!, another lead in article for Jimmy, and his followers to gang pile McCain.
Instead their was an opinion piece that caught my eye in the Tribune, "Stop bashing the Arabs
By KATHERINE OYSTER | La Crosse" Gee do you think that could be true? Gee could you imagine if their were 5 out of 6 local Senators Muslim? Sorry, I think I stated that before. As we hear people make racist statements about Muslims in the media regularly with no follow up or comment as if acceptable? I seldom hear that "Never again chant" as they are slaughtered around the world mixed with other races by the millions in recent brutal ethnic cleansing. As we even have history of large blanket coverage of internment in Israels backyard encompassing entire families, then 'let out' to return to work the next day. "

Michael Welch Some More Observations... wrote on Oct 17, 2008 11:53 AM:

" Voters often assume the stance of What have you done for ME LATELY? so the loss of 'social issues' as I wrote below refocuses them on economics, wars etc., and they may not be as supportive. I find for example many anti-Obama religious righties here DO NOT LIKE Bush's current economic policies NOR do they express much support for McCain's. They only plump the hapless Palin (now under tight gag order) and declare at least Mac ain't Barack. As long as abortion is THE TOP ISSUE for them they will vote Repub no matter what else; once that issue 'subsides' (or appears to) they may 'wander' politically. Re: 'Cagefighter's proclaimed Libertarian stance -- don't you know Libertarians are ADAMANTLY against banning abortion? They say it's NONE of the government's business... "

Michael Welch Some Explanations... wrote on Oct 17, 2008 11:43 AM:

" Well I would presume it obvious WHY overturning Roe is NOT beneficial. The focus then would shift to STATE not NATIONAL elections because cancelling RvW means that EACH STATE would decide its abortion laws. If however women and girls were compelled to say leave Wisconsin bound for New York or California to get abortions or even have to travel overseas the political restlessness in anti-abortion states would grow and the target would inevitably be the Republican legislators. As long as RvW remains in force however GOPper presidential candidates benefit as anti-abortion voters who are more liberal on other issues (white Catholics in particular) could feel they could vote Democratic if there was no more a prez could do... "

Dear BrianGSmith wrote on Oct 17, 2008 9:21 AM:

" Define "baby". "Wolf". You want to play word games? Fine. When you are ready to address the point made without playing the silly word games, let us know. "

Izzy Fabin wrote on Oct 17, 2008 8:56 AM:

" Remember when I criticized Obama for bilking the taxpayers of LaCrosse, and all the lefties posting her blasted me? Well, McCain paid for well over half of his costs(15K out of 28K). B. Hussein Obama paid $5,300 out of $33,300. I am not totally excusing McCain, but tell me:who is more concerned about the average taxpayer? "

youbetcha wrote on Oct 17, 2008 8:41 AM:

" Yeah, Obama won the debate, that's why he's lost ground in two polls (CNN and Gallop).

It's too early to tell, but I suspect that Joe the Plumber exposed Obama's socialism better then McCain and that doesn't sit well with all us common Joes out here. The other thing is ACORN's voter fraud. Most Americans don't want to be associated with intentional acts to steal an election. The more people realize Obama's close ties to ACORN and the more that ACORN gets exposed for the criminal organization they are, the further Obama's polling will slip. "

Yo wrote on Oct 17, 2008 7:59 AM:

" Cont. If you're not angry, you're not paying attention. Of course if you're Republican and angry, then you're just crazy...acording to the lefties. "

Yo wrote on Oct 17, 2008 7:56 AM:

" I had the audacity to get up from my bed(bought at a corporation), turn on the lights(corporation) with the light bulbs that I bought from a corporation. Got into my car with galvanized tires, use gas to get to work, to sell items to other corporate entities, so that I could invest, save, and plan for retirement. All surrounded by corporations that I bought from, sold to, saved, invested in, with hope to have a future. I'm not worried though about taxes - Obama is just going to tax "corporations." Hoover tried wealth redistribution, FDR excelled the plan. Hang on - another depression is on the way. "

Davidinlse wrote on Oct 17, 2008 7:37 AM:

" What I find interesting is that for the last 8 to 10 weeks, John McBush has not been wearing a lapel flag pin. Perhaps he is ashamed of America? Seems that way. Remember the big thing about Obama not having one all the time, and the right wingers branded him unamerican? So it's obvious that John is anti-american and has nothing but contempt for americans. At least that's what his supporters said when the "role" was reversed. After all, if you go back and check him out, he did say he was not proud of america until after he bacame a POW. Perhaps he is still not proud. I wonder. "

To Priceless wrote on Oct 17, 2008 7:31 AM:

" Virtually all wage earning Americans pay PAYROLL TAXES! You know, social security and medicare/medicaid. They add up to 7.65% of your check. "

Richard Cranium wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:17 PM:

" I feel a little confused about all the anger that's out there. But what I really don't get is all the anger directed at socialists. Why are Republicans angry at socialists? We are nearly done with eight years of Republicans in the White House. Before that, we had eight years of a Democrat in the White House and a Republican Congress.At this time, our economy is in ruins as the ruling parties have managed to do what Middle Eastern terrorists could not. So how is this the fault of socialists? Socialists don't believe in taking money from the working class to give to the wealthy. Socialists wouldn't send us all to the poor house so the rich can maintain their lifestyles. I realize these are scary times, but have Republicans completely lost their minds or forgotten what our country stands for? "

Kevin wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:03 PM:

" As for Barack being a truth teller....ACORN people came out today...with hurt feelings...Barack helped train many of them personally? and then said his campaign no longer needed them? Looking through Barack's campagin history, he appears to be as good or better than Bill Clinton in wrangling about the definition of the word is, but then why shouldn't he be...he is a lawyer too... I doubt people like Bill Ayers and Rev. Wright will have hurt feelings, they are cut from the same political cloth as Barack and understand the need to jettison 'the ballast' occasionally. All that being said, he does spin a better yarn than the John McCain, but, I think John can tell the truth better. "

To Priceless wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:59 PM:

" I guess Bush's twelve hundred and six hundred dollar borrowed bribes were ok though, huh? Priceless all right. "

To Kevin wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:57 PM:

" Have you been living the last fifteen - twenty years? If you have you would know that businesses have been leaving our country going overseas in droves already with the neocons in charge. What makes you think it's going to be better under McSame? "

Priceless wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:37 PM:

" 60 million American's do not pay ANY taxes...under BO's plan he will tax the rich more and give it to the non tax paying American's. $1000 each. Priceless! "

Kevin wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:35 PM:

" It hurts to hear it but people making less than $200K per year do not pay salaries...Business pay salaries...The further down that $200K ladder you go the less economic impact there is, unless of course you are Walmart selling cheap foreign goods, made in china, malaysia, thailand, mexico, good thing we are giving the people who spend money on american goods a tax break...to spend it on foreign goods/services. "

To Cagefighter wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:32 PM:

" You are an unhappy Republican and you know it. What exactly "impresses" you about Palin? "

Kevin wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:30 PM:

" Baracks plan is flawed in that, once he taxes business out of existence by a) pushing them overseas, b) closing doors because a 2.5% savings account will make more money than a high risk business or c) just don't need the hassles of this administrations red tape. These business will not start up again easily as the start up costs will be enormous. Small business are not the ones making $250K with 3 employess. They are the ones making $750-$5M with 15-30 employees. What are they going to do? Lay people off, reduce payrolls, roll back hiring plans, reduce...reduce...reduce...especially when work is not busting down the doors...like now. "

Kevin wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:23 PM:

" Concerning Barack's tax cuts....the argument here is really a supply vs demand(?) side economics questions. McCain supports keeping the money in the hands of business that hire people and pay them with, guess what, money! And then they use that to buy goods & services that move the economy. Barack chooses to use the demand side of economics. Give people money and then they will spend it keeping the economy running, thus producing a demand for business.... "

Angry white man wrote on Oct 16, 2008 7:18 PM:

" I think it is about time people get angry. In order for us to turn the economy around, bring the troops homes after a successful bout overseas, and keep the house we all should be a little miffed about how things have been run. Being an independant voter that has made up his mind I just can not trust Obama. Always beware of the one that seems so cool and calm. In the big scheme of things, Roe v. Wade is not a deciding factor to me. Keep the US safe and allow me to retire with social security and I will be fine. "

Jeff wrote on Oct 16, 2008 5:55 PM:

" There doesn't have to be votes cast for their to be voter fraud (fraudulent voter registrations). Quit picking the fly crap out of the pepper. Get it? "

Dear blah blah blah wrote on Oct 16, 2008 5:13 PM:

" Be sure to keep ahold of your republican talking doll, sure to be worth something someday even though it is worthless today. Pre9-11 the doll repeated "Stimulus package" and "Rogue missiles"....Post 9-11 it said..."WMD", "Saddam is an immediate threat...a modern Hitler....He's got nukes....this is like WWIII....we'll be greeted as liberators.....it'll pay for itself...Al Zarkawhi....support the troops.....terrorists want to kill you.....the free market solves all problems....Obama is an elitist" - BGS "

RE ACORN wrote on Oct 16, 2008 5:00 PM:

" To the wearisome babblers of exagerations lies....Acorn has not commited any "voter fraud" because no one has VOTED. Get it? There has been registration 'fraud' and it has been caught. Acorn, by law, must submit all registrations. Some of their paid staff gin up their lists with fake names to earn more money. Capitalism. Mickey Mouse and Tony Romo aren't voting in Arizona folks. The municipal voting stations is where any fraud will occur. - BrianGSmith "

Dear To Cagefighter wrote on Oct 16, 2008 4:54 PM:

" Can you give us a site that has this alleged "80% approval" rating in Alaska for Palin? Recent polls from the State are showing a precipitous nosedive in her popularity. Her allegiance to a pro-secessionist America hating "Alaskan Independence Party" and her bold faced lying about the "bridge to nowhere" and her non existent role as a "reformer" has me concerned. What's sad is you and cage don't heed the wisdom and criticism from your own converative experts who've all but condemned Palin (Will, Krauthammer, etc). It's also weird for a chick on the scene just a few weeks to be asking everyone "just who is Obama"......when no one knows who/what the heck she is. "

BrianGSmith wrote on Oct 16, 2008 4:45 PM:

" Define "baby". "Human".

If a girl or woman is impregnated through rape they damn sure have a right to terminate the issue ASAP.

Anti-choice folks should push sex-ed and contraception plus generous assistance for single mothers. If they would do these sensible things I could envision abortions dropping to microscopical levels. "

Big Spender to BlahX3 wrote on Oct 16, 2008 4:41 PM:

" Well, if we always say that, that's because it's always true! "

To Carnival freak wrote on Oct 16, 2008 4:25 PM:

" Of course these clowns sidestep the issues, they have no ground to stand on. Their arguments have zero substance, they resort to name calling and bomb throwing tactics. Then they turn around and accuse their opponents of that which they are guilty. "

Blah blah blah wrote on Oct 16, 2008 4:21 PM:

" Palin unqualified, McCain loose cannon. Smears, distortion. You left out that Republicans are for the rich only, the war was about oil, Bush is Hitler, Cheney is satan. Repubs are racist, haters. Bush took away our civil liberties. Bush lied, troops died. Blah blah blah. Wind up the Democrat talking doll and it will chatter the same old crap. The Welch version does too, but in a different way. "

Carnival freak from Murder Creek wrote on Oct 16, 2008 3:49 PM:

" Big Spender, you keep bashing McCain, yet you keep sidestepping(dodging) the issue people bring up regarding Obama being a self professed Christian who has stated his faith is very important to him. You voting for someone you think is delusional seems a bit psycho. "

To Lee Bowers and Welch wrote on Oct 16, 2008 3:46 PM:

" You guys intrigue me with your position that Reagan and the Bushs deliberately appointed Supreme Court justices who would not overturn Roe. Could you expand on this a little? I understand your position that they NEED abortion to remain a hot topic--which it certainly would EVEN if Roe was overturned. So, why wouldnt they get it overturned, thereby gaining favor with their constituency? "

Big Spender wrote on Oct 16, 2008 3:25 PM:

" McCain is too erratic a man to be president: look at how he dropped the F-bomb on a fellow Republican, Senator Cornyn. (He's done the F-bomb thing repeatedly.) Look at his choice of the unqualified (even to conservative commmentators) Palin. Look at McCain's shameful campaign: full of smears, distortions and deceit.

The rash McCain makes snap decisions based on the sheer emotion of the moment; he's a loose cannon and an impulsive man. "

Lee Bowers wrote on Oct 16, 2008 2:50 PM:

" McCain has something in his favor: falling gas prices, but if anyone thinks for one minute that the price of oil is not being manipulated for his benefit, he or she is sadly mistaken. I predicted this five months ago. Not that I'm congratulating myself, because it was so obviously going to happen. "

Gun toting right wing nut wrote on Oct 16, 2008 2:10 PM:

" Obama should be running away with this election by now. He's got the media on his side, the Hollywood libs bashing McCain/Palin relentlessly. Now he's got ACORN out there committing voter fraud on a level we've never seen in this country. The question is, will Americans see thru it? Tune in to the late night shows, talk shows, papers, MSN, Yahoo news, radio "news", that pinhead Brad Williams and his sarcastic tone whenever he talks of Bush, McCain, Palin. It's 24/7 bombardment, Obama good, McCain bad. "

Michael Welch Sucker Bait... wrote on Oct 16, 2008 1:02 PM:

" 'Bowers' I believe is absolutely correct in his assessment of the Reagan to Bush 2 supreme appointments -- I have seen NO real evidence beyond the merely 'verbal' that ANY of the Republican administrations since 1981 REALLY wish to overturn Roe v Wade -- last night McCain even 'pledged' that he would NOT require a 'litmus test' re: anti-Roe. The so called 'social issues' have ALWAYS been 'sucker bait' in presidential elections -- ONLY on state levels have actual 'victories' occurred. Anti-same sex marriage, prayer in school, abortion -- sure there are SOME 'executive orders' that ensure the issues remain 'warm' but never too 'hot.' Overturning Roe would be an electoral disaster for the Repubs and they CAN'T 'afford' another one... "

To AUD wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:47 PM:

" You're behind the times, global warming is not man made. "

Lee Bowers wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:07 PM:

" Oh no..you've got it wrong. It's my belief that Reagan, Papa Bush and Baby Bush all DELIBERATELY appointed Supreme Court justices who would not overturn Roe v Wade. "

AUD wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:44 AM:

" Youre right, there IS fear re: Palin, and for me, it's legitimate. She may have as much general public experience as Obama, but has NO national experience and that scares me. A woman who believes that victims of rape & child victims of incest should have no options should they become pregnant as a result of the crime scares me with her lack of compassion. A woman who feels, as does Cheney, that the powers of the VP should be expanded scares me with her lack of constitutional comprehension. A woman with a pregnant daughter scares me when she still believes that birth control should not be taught to teens. A woman who chooses to wink her way thru debates scares me. A woman who doesnt understand the causes of global warming cannot possibly hope to help fix it, and that scares me. "

Michael Welch War Is Sport -- SPORT... wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:40 AM:

" As for the much vaunted 'surge' the truth (poor 'truth,' ALWAYS besieged at election time especially!) is that what has becalmed the sunni militias is simple 'baksheesh,' bribery. The US military pays the militias and their local sheikhs as well as it provides 'protection' against the uneasy shi'ite government in Baghdad. The current proposal going is to mirror this in Afghanistan, i. e. to begin paying off the Taliban and local 'war lords.' This has 'worked' yes BUT the sunnis ARE plotting to regain their Saddam-era status as THE hierarchy and are really only marking time, loading up so to speak (at US taxpayer expense!) and biding their days for that 'blessed' day of attack and deliverance! Back to the future!... "

To Lee Bowers wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:37 AM:

" Well, there are some(read BGS) on other blogs who value the life of baby wolves over that of baby humans. Anyway, a President cant always affect change due to the balance of powers, etc. I assume you are acknowledging they have been unable to change the abortion laws, as opposed to DELIBERATELY not doing so? I would rather have a leader who works to change unjust laws, even if unable to do so, than a leader who is outspoken in his support of these unjust laws. "

Michael Welch In The Game -- The Wonderful Game Of --... wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:31 AM:

" Obama was cool, calm though at times (I HEARD this on public radio; I didn't then see their faces) he sounded somewhat exasperated at having to REPEAT (eh) to refute McCain's inaccuracies. I agree with Jim that Mac exudes more 'anger' and of course so does the present Repub base (both are losing hmm) but I believe McCain was also pandering to the generalized 'anger' he assumes in the public at this time. Obama's tax cuts will deliver THREE TIMES the relief to those earning less than a quarter mil per year which includes by the way even 'Joe the plumber,' at the moment at least. However 'Joe's RICH!' Mac gloated 'Congratulations Joe!' Did you marry 'it' Joe? a less contained Obama might have cracked but then THAT riposte will have to wait for Saturday Night Live... "

Michael Welch Many A Tear Drop Has To Fall But Its All --... wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:21 AM:

" Last night McCain I believe satisfied his base via his aggression; he was indeed 'gritty' as one 'observer' here yesterday longed for him to be. I think he succeeded in putting Obama on the defensive over taxes (oh the ubiquitous, now legendary for a moment 'Joe the plumber'!), health care and Bill Ayers, though McCain's charges were accurate about none of the three. I was surprised, however I oughtn't have been, when Mac waxed SO glowingly re: Palin, a semi-shattered star yet still attracting light with the heat -- but then at this stage of the game what choice had he eh?... "

MELevine wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:55 AM:

" I agree that John McCain is the angry one. Anger is not going to solve our problems. It's understandable to be frustrated, worried, frightened maybe but, angry? No. Someone who reacts out of anger is only going to make uneducated, rash decisions. Last night during the debate he sounded like a defeatist. Not willing to look ahead only wanting to promote anger. John McCain is well known to be a hothead, overreactive, mean and verbally abusive person. He needs time off for Anger Management therapy (throw in some etiquette classes for the hell of it). The US needs a president that has the intellect to think thru a situation and work out a solution.
As for abortion...educate don't dictate! "

Lee Bowers wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:50 AM:

" The surge is working, huh? Yeah, and the stock market is booming.... "

Mac wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:50 AM:

" The best the left has today is to talk about McCain's body language. Like the last debate "he can't even sit in a chair properly?" Anybody heard of the Vietnamese rope trick? McCain was ready for a spirited debate and Obama just sat there grinning like a used car salesman. Every other word out of Obama's mouth was tax and spend. Obama thinks he can appeal to the middle class by promising that government can provide a better life. He will take from those that have plenty and provide it to those that have come upon hard times. He will force companies to provide health coverage, made affordable by subsidies to insurance companies. He will provide more to send our kids to college. He can save us all with government programs. Enough of the socialism! "

Lee Bowers wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:49 AM:

" Cagefighter, you are a most interesting character. Your admiration for Sarah intrigues me. Can't help wondering what other things you like...the New Coke?...8 Track tapes?..Wayne Newton?..little yippy barky dogs?...Onion flavored toothpaste?..David Spade?..Vanilla Ice?..Judith Kranz?..Larry Craig?..Geraldo Rivera?.."According to Jim?".. "

Big E is angry wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:46 AM:

" I for one am very angry. This supposed "bailout" is an absolute scam. It is nothing more than the government covering their own rear-ends. The government (Frank, Dodd, Obama, and even some rebublicans like Gramm) pushed the lending institutions into the sub-prime debacle with terrible legislation, de-regulation, and mis-management. Who is being held accountable? When will heads roll? Our tax dollars are paying for AIG executives to take vacations?!?!Darn right I'm angry! "

Lee Bowers wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:39 AM:

" CBS, CNN and Fox are reporting that those viewing the debate decidedly favored Obama. It's pretty much over now. The only thing that can save McNasty is another "terror" attack where Bush would call off the election citing a "national emergency." Stay tuned. "

to lee wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:37 AM:

" I see you don't get up to date news on Iraq. Newsflash....the John McCain backed Surge worked, Iraqi's are beinging to defend themselves, the people of Iraq are working with their government and eliminating foreign terrorists in their borders, attacks on US troops has plumetted, both candidates have acknowledged that troops can now begin withdrawling, because the Surge was successful.

If Iraq was truely your main concern, you should stay up to date on the latest information. As a side note, the troops that are actually over there and do the dirty work, want John McCain for president by an overwhelming majority. "

To Cagefighter wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:36 AM:

" Well said, there is a paranoia over the VP candidate that I don't recall seeing ever before. She may not be up to speed on all the issues, but she's a quick study, level headed, and obviously smart. Her 80% popularity in Alaska says allot. The media and other left wing types have went bonkers over her supposed lack of experience, yet she has as much experience as Obama. Oh, and Michael Welch, did I say anything hateful here towards Obama? "

Lee Bowers wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:17 AM:

" I don't agree with Obama on abortion, but if you think McCain will do anything about it, you are mistaken. Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II all said they were against abortion, but did NOTHING to stop it. The evangelical Republicans continue to be deceived on this issue. "

To Lee Bowers wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:49 AM:

" I take it you see Obamas support of abortion as an exception, due to your belief that abortion is a violation of the human rights of the unborn? If you think about it, if we condone the slaughter of our most vulnerable members, if no one has an inherent right to life, what do these other things matter? "

Cagefighter wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:35 AM:

" I have stated before that I am, at best, a very lukewarm McCain supporter(as in, I would take anyone over Obama). I knew of this clown about 12 years ago when he went on his crusade against MMA(later it was revealed his wifes company was a major sponsor of boxing, MMA was overtaking boxing in popularity)in an effort to put many people out of work. If you had told me at that time he would be candidate for President, I would have been horrified. Anyway, I am so impressed with Sarah Palin and so disgusted by the name calling and fear of her shown by the left wingers, that I may vote McCain rather than the Libertarian candidate, simply out of spite. "

Lee Bowers wrote on Oct 16, 2008 9:00 AM:

" My anger over the last eight years of Republican rule..(and I mean Republican rule because most Democrats have been too chicken to hold Bush accountable) has subsided into weariness. Obama offers hope that we'll get out of Iraq; that our civil liberties will not be further endangered; that we will end our use of torture, and that the middle class and the poor will benefit, not the rich. "

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