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Re Bowers World wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:22 AM:

" Not exactly. In Bowers world, some of those responsible would only get probation. "

Bowers World wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:24 AM:

" In my world, the US has a benign foreign policy. We stop policing the world. We bring the troops home. We enact universal health care for all. We end free trade legislation, and work to protect the environment. We get to the truth regarding the assassinations of our leaders, the tragedies at Waco, Oklahoma City, and 9/11...and we expose and jail those responsible.-Lee Bowers "

To Jeff wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:47 AM:

" You must understand in Bowers world, everything that doesnt go his way is an example of a conspiracy or cover up. Take this election-since his man won, everything was on the up and up. But, if a couple million people had happened to vote the other way, it would have meant the election was stolen. He tells others to grow up, but it is he who makes these childish accusations. "

Bowers to Jeff wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:15 AM:

" Excellent question, Jeff. Let me answer. It's called compartmentalization. Basically, in a conspiracy like 9/11 or the JFK assassination, only a few people know the entire scope. It's on a need-to-know basis. Many of the those involved are in the black ops division of the CIA, and those folks aren't going to blab to anyone. Also, one crucial factor working in favor of the conspirators is their knowledge that the media will keep the truth from the public. It's always indepedent researchers that expose the fallacies of government explanations, never the media. "

Hey Kizarney wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:03 AM:

" Tormentor? Tormentor? Who do you think I am? One of George Bush's torturer's? Grow up, Kizarney.-Bowers "

Harsch...revelations wrote on Nov 4, 2008 3:30 PM:

" I think it's hilarious that Kissarseny salutes someone who gently corrects him as my tormentor. Was it meant to be funny, K? If so, congratulations. "

Harsch wrote on Nov 4, 2008 3:28 PM:

" In the Islamic world it is somewhere around the year 1360, I believe. "

Cagefighter to Bowers wrote on Nov 4, 2008 3:15 PM:

" I guess we will have to disagree on whether probation is a reasonable and rational punishment for a mass murder coverup. "

Kizarny to my tormentor wrote on Nov 4, 2008 3:12 PM:

" Well, pardon me. "historical designation of time" it is. Not calendar. I assume it is the year 2008 for EVERYONE? Not just Christians. 2008 in the Year of our Lord? You do realize that is what AD means, right? That was my point to Big Spender. That is why i asked him what year it is in his world(a world where the word "Lord" is considered delusional). "

Harsch wrote on Nov 4, 2008 2:13 PM:

" Thanks for the stylistic thumbs up (in your eye). "

Jeff to Bowers re 911 Conspiracies wrote on Nov 4, 2008 2:00 PM:

" Yes, 36% say somewhat likely or very likely. How do they pull off these conspiracies without anyone leaking it? It would take so many people to do it, how can they all be trusted to keep quiet? Are they brainwashed? Drugged? Are they really aliens living among us? Do you own the Twilight Zone collectors addition? "

Bowers to Cagefighter wrote on Nov 4, 2008 1:43 PM:

" Irrational? Me? Sir, I am the voice of reason. I am a beacon for truth in an era of unmitigated lies and deceit. I am Lee Bowers and I approve of this message. "

Michael Welch Messing With Numbers... wrote on Nov 4, 2008 12:59 PM:

" And by the stupid way -- many employ BCE as per 'before the common era' and CE, i. e. 'the common era' which have the advantage of retaining the familiar 'BC' in part but substituting CE for Anno Domini or 'the year of our Lord.' (NOT everybody's 'Lord' after all you see!) And just so you know, the CORRECT use of AD is AD 33 for example, meaning 'the year of our Lord 33,' NOT 33 AD as folks often use it. Yeah yeah yeah we ALL realize this is the result of the imposition of the western Christian imperium that continues in our times but calendar numbered years are arbitrary and could be readjusted at any future point. This is the one we have FOR THE MOMENT but nothing lasts forever eh... "

Bowers to Jeff wrote on Nov 4, 2008 12:53 PM:

" According to "Time" magazine, more than one third of the country believes Bush complicit in 9/11. Lot of conspiracy nuts out there. Wish I owned stock in some tin foil company. "

Bowers to Jeff wrote on Nov 4, 2008 12:50 PM:

" Always glad to help out. "

Hey Kizarney wrote on Nov 4, 2008 12:49 PM:

" You were talking about the calendar, young buck, not the BC/AD thing, which is an historical designation of time. There is no Christian calendar that I know of. We use the Julian one. Get your facts straight, young buck. "

Michael Welch Ever Read Yer Shakespeare Bill -- Yeah I DO... wrote on Nov 4, 2008 12:47 PM:

" I'm always struck when some sort of 'synchronicity' occurs -- let me explain: Sunday I was at the local 'Borders' book store with my 40% off one book coupon and I contemplated Pat Buchanan's latest dissing Churchill and WWII -- always intriguing! Or David Halberstam's 'The Coldest Winter,' tragically his last book, this about MY bete noir war, the hated Korean one from which all subsequent cursed wars flow. BUT: I saw Adrian Goldsworthy's (a BRIT, with a name like that eh) 'Caesar [Julius]: The Life of a Colossus' and I thought Yes a political leader who was TRULY SO GREAT he was a COLOSSUS! No biographies of presidents EVER call one of them a 'colossus'! And now Caesar's name pops up here albeit under the usual -- sigh! -- shallow circumstances... "

Cagefighter to Bowers wrote on Nov 4, 2008 12:34 PM:

" Probation? Pretty light punishment for covering up a mass-murder. Of course, the untrustworthy media can be SO trusted when it comes to your man winning the election, that any other result means it was stolen. When it comes to Obama, you tend to be very irrational. "

To Bowers wrote on Nov 4, 2008 12:29 PM:

" You're kidding, right? Even atheists acknowledge that "BC" stands for "Before Christ". That is universal-a fact, not opinion. Kizarny never denied that Julius Caesar came up with it-which is all the more powerful that a non-Christian(Caesar) would come up with a calendar system whose starting point coincides with the "starting point" of Christ. Or, is our whole calendar system another conspiracy? "

Jeff to Bowers wrote on Nov 4, 2008 12:24 PM:

" Thanks for correcting me, I'll make sure I use "conspiracy nut" instead of crazy, which is a broad term. "

Insanity thy name is Harsch wrote on Nov 4, 2008 12:24 PM:

" Welch-your point is taken. I simply object to harsch's assertion that someone who predicts martial law would be declared is the same as calling for martial law. "

Michael Welch And A Lesson For ME Eh... wrote on Nov 4, 2008 12:13 PM:

" The phrase I used is from an H. G. Wells short story 'In the Country of the Blind' which was adapted for 'The DuPont Show of the Week' in 1962 and retitled 'The Richest Man in Bogota.' The incomparable Lee Marvin had the role of a wanderer who discovers a 'lost land' in which all the folks are without eyes; with HIS eyes he thinks of himself as SO advantaged that he may become a literal 'king' over these people AND rob them of their considerable gold which they cannot recognize or value. He, the peasant, would then become 'the richest man' in Colombia. He of course falls in love with a young woman and to be with her he must become LIKE HER so the tribe -- well you can guess eh. The EYED man is destroyed because one is NOT to be TOO 'different' from everybody else... "

Michael Welch In The Land Of The Blind The One Eyed Man Is King... wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:36 AM:

" Frankly I think my comments are the MOST 'sane' of all but in the asylum those who judge insanity have a different 'standard' I realize. I've commented here for a year and more and most of my critics ARE shallow and silly and get sillier all the time. No you don't 'convince' the shallow they are shallow after all; they just accuse you of being too too much. I'll retain my assertion re: 'martial law' because it would be so unnecessary; in the US it would create huge difficulties and solve very little. Americans are militaristic enough and besides 'Wall Street' et. al., DESPERATELY NEED a government under strong party control and Obama + enhanced Demo majorities guarantees it. I repeat: Obama is NOT 'Lenin' or 'Trotsky' despite the TRULY 'insane' accusations; he is -- as I say -- 'merely' FDR... "

Bowers to Cagefighter wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:00 AM:

" Good question. Bush and Cheney killed Americans on purpose to achieve their foreign policy goals. Some 3,000 died on 9/11 because of Bush and Cheney. Obama wasn't in Washington at the time,and my contention is that he now surely knows the truth, like most everyone else in DC. So, yes, he is complicit in the cover-up. As to a punishment, I would place him on probation. "

Bowers to Jeff wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:53 AM:

" Jeff, you need to get with it, young man. The proper term applied to all those who question the government on 9/11 or JFK or RFK or Oklahoma City is "conspiracy nut." You should also reference our tin foil hats. "

Hey Kizarney wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:48 AM:

" The Christian calendar? What Christian calendar? Our calendar was devised by Julius Caesar, and he was no Christian. Get your facts straight.-Bowers "

Kizarny to Big Spender wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:00 AM:

" 804pm--you should just stay out of it. Do you even use the same calendar system as the rest of us? You know, the worldwide(not just Christian) calendar system based on the birth of Jesus? What year is it in your world? "

Dear Brian G Smith wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:58 AM:

" If the media was balanced, they would be more concerned about Obamas outspoken support of the killing of baby humans through abortion(and right after birth) than Palins support of the killing of baby wolves. Showing more concern for animals than people is evidence of an extreme disconnect. "

Cagefighter wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:46 AM:

" I have suffered pulled muscles, broken bones(ankle, arm-luckily not at the same time), compressed vertebrae, a torm meniscus, a dislocated shoulder....none of those things at the hands of BGS, however (: Question for you: you stated Bush should be jailed for war crimes for "planning 9/11". For the sake of consistency, dont you believe Obama should be jailed also, as you asserted that he was complicit in the coverup? "

Jeff wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:44 AM:

" I guess I take back what I said, Bowers thinks Bush planned 9/11 so I'd consider him crazy. "

Lee Bowers wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:06 AM:

" The results are in from Dixville Notch. Obama is the first Democrat to win since 1968. In 2004, Bush beat Kerry 19-7. The landslide begins. Go Obama! "

Bowers to Jeff wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:01 AM:

" In my concern for your physical well-being, I will no longer proclaim that Bush stole the presidential elections of 2000 and 2004. It is, of course, true, but I will no longer proclaim it, because of my humanist regard for your health. Pulled muscles hurt. Just ask Cagefighter. When BGS repeatedly took him to the mat, he suffered greatly from pulled muscles. "

Bowers wrote on Nov 4, 2008 7:52 AM:

" Martial law is a possibility. In fact, it would be likely in the aftermath of another "terrorist" attack. I think it's the pessimist in me that finds it hard to believe that the evil cabal currently in power is ever going to relinquish its authority. Hope I'm wrong and Welch is right. "

Bowers wrote on Nov 4, 2008 7:48 AM:

" Jail Bush? Oh, absolutely!!! For crimes against humanity. Cheney too, and all the neo-cons who planned and carried out 9/11; who illegally invaded Afghanistan and Iraq; who torture innocent human beings....ah, what a legacy. "

Dear Jeff from BrianGSmith wrote on Nov 4, 2008 7:35 AM:

" All of the "left wing" mainstream stations you listed are owned by huge multinational conglomerations with HUUUUUGE stakes in war and defense contracting and TV ratings.

The truth is that 'reality' is liberal to you guys/gals. When there is truthful bad news concerning the republicans they-you immediately throw a hissyfit and claim a liberal media bias.

If the media was liberal we'd never have learned Monica's last name, Bush's A.W.O.L forrays during Vietnam would have dominated the 2000 election news instead of Gore's alleged exagerating.

If the media was liberal Palin's ties to radical priests and armed anti-American secessionist groups would dominate as well as McCain's health , his wife's drug habits and the chance McCain was brainwashed by VietCong Commies. "

Richard Cranium wrote on Nov 4, 2008 7:19 AM:

" I'm voting for Barack Obama because he is not yet the man he can become and John McCain is not the man he used to be. I'm predicting Obama wins the popular vote big, the Electoral vote will be close, and the Dems fall a few short of a filibuster proof Senate. (I hope I'm wrong about that one). "

Jeff to American People 411 post wrote on Nov 3, 2008 11:25 PM:

" To which post of mine are you referring? 3:25? I don't think anyone on here is crazy, but hating George Bush seems to be a full time hobby for the left. He can do no right. Just like the right wing loons who hated Clinton. "

Yo wrote on Nov 3, 2008 10:18 PM:

" To American People - He wants to create a civilian militia as strong as the U.S. Military. - Marxist remarks. Wants to re-distribute the wealth - Socialist, Marxist, Communist. Why exactly are Republicans Nutty to suggest as much, while at the same time for the past 8 yrs the Democrats were the "informed" and "more intelligent" half of the public, when they were bloviating the same ideas for our candidates? - Hypocritical, just a little - no a lot! "

Obama for da win wrote on Nov 3, 2008 8:54 PM:

" Throwing out garbage and hoping it sticks is exactly what the rebubbos are doing. For instance, think for a moment realistically about how Obama's tax plan will affect the rich ...will they suddenly become poor? No. In fact, they will remain wealthy. So how is that socialism to expect the folks who've prospered the most from the freedom of our great country to also contribute the most? It's not like were asking them to live at a $20,000 per year income or something. No, they will be fine. "

Big Spender wrote on Nov 3, 2008 8:12 PM:

" 1st post failed: there's some new script on this site that keeps crashing IE7 Vista...I don't get the crash on other sites (I visit plenty).

Back to politics: Obama and No.

Why? Dems will win in a squeaker as complacency causes folks not to go to the voting stations: Dems think they've got it won--the pundits, polls and projections said so!

So, VOTE! "

Big Spender wrote on Nov 3, 2008 8:04 PM:

" Obama and No.

The Republicans always, always get out their vote: that's why they've dominated American politics even though only a small minority really share their views. They never tire--they'll be working on the next election November 5, no matter who wins. Democrats will slacken as TV projections predict an Obama landslide...therefore there will be no landslide, in fact, Obama may still lose...and, the Dems won't get the 60 Senate seats they need to get things done.

So, ignore the polls, ignore the pundits, ignore the projections and VOTE!!! "

No Surprise wrote on Nov 3, 2008 5:06 PM:

" Harschs self-imposed exile lasted....a few hours, as predicted at 144 pm. "

To The American People wrote on Nov 3, 2008 5:05 PM:

" You criticize the 306pm poster, but give Bowers a pass for asserting the same thing-assering that if Obama loses, the election is stolen. Same with Harsch-he keeps asserting everyone who posts here is a lunatic-yet he posts. How about some fair and balanced blogging? And where did Coage call for martial law? "

Jeff wrote on Nov 3, 2008 4:29 PM:

" The poll in the Trib's main page says 69% believe media coverage is biased towards Obama, 9 % McCain, 22% say it's even handed. Ouch. If I were an Obama supporter, I'd sure hope the media lovefest with big O doesn't backfire. "

The American People wrote on Nov 3, 2008 4:11 PM:

" Jeff - Are you insinuating that the posters that post on this forum are crazy? If so, aren't you a poster here, and thus mean your crazy? I know you republicans get pretty wrapped up in your thoughts, and somethings just slip out without any forethought. But I just wanted to make you aware, so as to save you from calling the kettle black. And your welcome. "

Carnival Freak From Murder Creek wrote on Nov 3, 2008 4:04 PM:

" It appears Harsch is finding it more difficult to reeducate people on anonymous message boards than to reeducate them in small cages is the basement of his homeless estate. And his frustration is "OH SO APPARENT".
American People, Allen Coage never advoctaed martial law-just said it was a possibility(same as Bowers). "

To Bowers wrote on Nov 3, 2008 3:59 PM:

" But, you do concede martail law is a real possibility, which is something Welch denies. "

Moondog Fluffy wrote on Nov 3, 2008 3:56 PM:

" American People, you misunderstood my post. I was merely pointing out the same point you were attempting to make was already made by Izzy to Bowers. Also, I agree with you regarding the election. It is Bowers who keeps childishly asserting that unless his man wins, the other side cheated. "

The American People wrote on Nov 3, 2008 3:53 PM:

" If Obama wins, it's because he bought the election. There is no possible way he can fairly win. He is the most unqualified, radical, left-wing loon to ever run for President. The American people will hopefully see thru this
Marxist nut. "
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How exactly do you justify this comment, let alone defend it? I didn't know you could buy an election. Someone tell that to Ross Perot. And George Bush showed us just how fair a C average can get you. And if left-wing lovingly refers to those outside of the general consensus, then if Obama wins, aren't the Republicans just a bunch of left-wing liberals. Oh, and Marxist, please entertain us all and tell me just how Obama is a Marxist's? Or you can just keep throwing out as much garbarge as you want and hope it sticks? "

Jeff wrote on Nov 3, 2008 3:47 PM:

" For left wing media you forget ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, NPR, etc, etc. Fox is one right wing media outlet. As far as mean-spirited and hate filled, ever heard Olbermann and his rants? The guy makes O'Reilly look like a sweet little old lady. Matthews isn't much better, aside from the fact that he can screw a smile on his face. If nothing else, I'd love to see McCain win just so I can see Olbermann's reaction. He will have a nervous breakdown. And it would be funny to listen to Bowers rant more about stolen elections. I'll just laugh so hard I'll probably pull a muscle. "

harsch...jail bush wrote on Nov 3, 2008 3:47 PM:

" If one decider can be singled out and prosecuted for war crimes, say someone like Milosevic, then certainly Bush should be jailed for stewarding unprovoked attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq and for the innumerable violations of the Geneva Conventions along the way. So whoever you are with Bush on your car, get that monkey off your back and into the slammer. (No offense to our superior relatives.) "

Jeff to Bowers wrote on Nov 3, 2008 3:25 PM:

" You're probably that guy I used to see driving down Losey Blvd every morning with the "Jail Bush" sign hanging in his window. Wouldn't doubt he's one of the posters here. "

The American People wrote on Nov 3, 2008 3:06 PM:

" Jeff - That's how i view the right wing media, mainly FOX News. I'm not sure that can even be classifed as media. It's more along the lines of Propaganda. Kim Jong Il is surely jeolous of one-sided coverage. MSNBC is exactly the same but on the opposite end of the spectrum. How ever I don't feel that are as mean spirited and hate-filled as FOX News. Though the coverage may not be as favorable for John McCain on other News Outlets, they certainly don't insult the viewers intelligence in presenting such a one-sided argument as FOX News does. As a candidate for any office, I would never want FOX on my side. "

To Bowers wrote on Nov 3, 2008 3:06 PM:

" If Obama wins legit votes, it's because he bought the election. Otherwise he will steal the election. There is no possible way he can fairly win. He is the most unqualified, radical, left-wing loon to ever run for President. The American people will hopefully see thru this Marxist nut. "

Bowers to Moondog Fluffy wrote on Nov 3, 2008 2:52 PM:

" First, congratulations on your moniker. I like it. Second, I do want the election to occur. My position being that if McCain wins, it will have been stolen, just like Bush stole the elections of 2000 and 2004. "

Yo wrote on Nov 3, 2008 2:45 PM:

" To Yo: I didn't call anyone any degrading names whatsoever. Evidently you feel the need to - why? Take the moral high ground you supposedly stand on, even though you resorted to the lowest common denominator. You show the rest of us in this blog who you really are - It's rather sad "

Jeff wrote on Nov 3, 2008 2:44 PM:

" American People, you're right, as in this could backfire on the media. Obama should be ahead by that much, but he isn't, which is my point. Most people see thru this baloney. Some are influenced by it though, enough that it could make a difference in the outcome. But if McCain wins, I'll credit the voters with being disgusted by the left wing media insulting their intelligence every day. "

The American People wrote on Nov 3, 2008 2:42 PM:

" Moondog Fluffy - Sorry, if you took my humor for actual support. The idea that the election is fixed, or corrupt, especially in this area is riduculous. And through my posts, I hope to relay that. The truth is, either party would cry fraud to some degree, if their candidate doesn't win. We can't have a flawless election, and though that's sad to say, we have to trust that the process works. I know it's hard to believe, but there are those who disagree with you or I. And though you may think those people are crazy, as I beleive republicans are, that doesn't always make it so. "

The American People wrote on Nov 3, 2008 2:29 PM:

" Jeff - I disagree. Favorable press coverage is not always a good thing. Do I think radical views expressed by Charlie Gibson, George Stephanopolis , Shawn Hannity or Bill O'Reilly are good for either candidate. No. All four of them are in the bag for their candidate, and only hurt them with their political banter. Also, I think that any bad coverage for McCain may make him appear as the underdog, and the american people love an underdog. Just ask the only senator who actually read the Patriot Act and understand it, Russ Feingold. "

Jeff wrote on Nov 3, 2008 2:08 PM:

" With Obama outspending McCain 2-1, and having the majority of the media pushing for his win, he should be 30 points ahead in the polls. All that free advertising makes a diff... "

Starfish wrote on Nov 3, 2008 2:04 PM:

" The Repubs have shown that if the vote gets to show less than 3-5% margin, they can game the system and "win" the election with an ingenious, multi-pronged approach from Stalinist (". . .it's not WHO votes, it's who COUNTS the votes.") to KKK-style intimidation to bureacratic. If the vote gets to a 10% margin, then, yes, the only recourse is martial law except for one thing: the GOP has no "martials" left: Powell, Petraeus, Clark--all bolted for RESPONSIBLE leadership. . . "

Jeff wrote on Nov 3, 2008 2:03 PM:

" I never said Haig resigned in protest, just corrected the misstatement that he did 'not' resign at all. Nice try though. "

Jeff wrote on Nov 3, 2008 2:01 PM:

" I can't take anyone seriously who insists if his guy doesn't win that the other guy cheated. Can't get anymore childish than that. "

Moondog Fluffy wrote on Nov 3, 2008 1:55 PM:

" To the American People: You seem to be making the same point Izzy made in his 1011am post to Bowers. Bowers doesnt seem to think we need to go through with the election. Heck, he thinks the election could just "ruin" things, and we should declare Obama President immediately.
To Harsch: How is Bowers any less of a lunatic than the others you accuse? Skip the election? What? "

Harold wrote on Nov 3, 2008 1:48 PM:

" Yes,sadly Obama the unknown will win. Lots of corrupt early voting going on all over the country.
No,the Democrats won't get 60. Why would anyone want 60 Democrat seats? So we could have a dictatorship? Besides,to do this,they will need to win Alaska(probably)Colorado(yes)New Hampshire(probably,but Sununu is coming back),New Mexico(easily)North Carolina(probably)Oregon(a closeone,probably goes Dem),and Virginia will also go Dem easily. That's 58 seats. Saxby Chamblkiss will probably also lose in GA but win the runoff in December.I firmly believe Norm Coleman will win. It would be a true disgrace to elect al Franken. Mitch mcConnell win win in Kentucky,wih big help from McCain being very srong there. Wicker looks to be on his way to an easy victory in Mississippi,a race Dems had also targeted. "

This is too much wrote on Nov 3, 2008 1:44 PM:

" I was drinking a pop when I read Harschs post, and I laughed so suddenly it came through my nose. I am sure Harsch is merely lulling us into a false sense of security and will return again--under his own or another moniker. Poor put upon Harsch. I dont know if his 126 pm responder was trying to be funny or not, but he succeeded in doing so anyway. No one called for martial law. Coage simply made a prediction and then put a question out for consideration. By the way, Harschs friend Uncle Bowers seems to be in agreement with Coage and others. He must also be part of the lunatic fringe. "

The American People wrote on Nov 3, 2008 1:42 PM:

" Harsch - Didn't you know that the civil war is still being fought? Even today, at this very moment, simple minded southerners are having babies, in hopes of bankrupting american. We can't let this happen, and Allen Coage has just the plan to do. Under martial law those radicals will be rounded up and given a choice. Either join the Republican Royalist Party or be forcebly sterialized. The choice is theirs, but at least they'll have the freedom to make it. "

Bowers clarifies wrote on Nov 3, 2008 1:37 PM:

" Geez, I'm looking at my post to Welch, and it didn't come out exactly as I wanted. So, just to be more specific... I am not advocating martial law to deal with the coming economic chaos. We'll have to see it through as a democracy. My apologies to all. "

The American People wrote on Nov 3, 2008 1:34 PM:

" Jeff - Don't forget that as the media calls the race for Barack at 6 pm, pm our brave leader George Bush will enact martial law shortly thereafter, and appoint loyal servants such as Allen Coage, as our local gestapo. Then the new order of Republican Royalists can topple freedom, enslave the american people, and squash hope altogether. "

To Mr. Harsch wrote on Nov 3, 2008 1:26 PM:

" Please don't give up; there are lots of us who very much look forward to and enjoy your commentary here, even though we/I rarely post comments myself. You speak for many of us! As for the extremists, well, you're never going to change their little minds anyway. "

Bowers to Jeff wrote on Nov 3, 2008 12:54 PM:

" Once again you demonstrate a clear misunderstanding of things. The media will call the election by 6 pm? 6 pm? 6 pm? Tsk Tsk. Jeff, tell us again how Alexander Haig resigned in protest. "

The American People wrote on Nov 3, 2008 12:52 PM:

" To Izzy Fabin - Your right, that is the only obvious solution. And just in case the polls are right, keep reading, and you'll see that Allen Coage knows exactly what must be done. "

The American People wrote on Nov 3, 2008 12:48 PM:

" To Yo - Your right. I think we should really check into this guy's background. No woman or man, should assume the role of president if... Oh, wait, we have. Well there you have it, feel free to ignore, and good luck leading the coup with Allen Coege. "

Bowers to Welch wrote on Nov 3, 2008 12:48 PM:

" I wouldn't characterize martial law as you have. It is a possibility. The current junta, after all, has intentionally murdered 3,000 Americans (9/11). I wouldn't put anything past them. And frankly, I don't think either party has the ability to deal with the coming economic chaos within a democratic framework. Hope I'm wrong. "

The American People wrote on Nov 3, 2008 12:41 PM:

" In regards to the recent RNC commercial starring Jeremiah Wright... Why didn't they just cut to the chase and show McCain throwing the kitchen sink at Obama? "

The American People wrote on Nov 3, 2008 12:35 PM:

" Allen Coage - Heck Allen, why not just forgo the elections. Who needs them anyways? Clearly the Republican Party has all the answers. Since more than half of our country have succumbed to the brainwashing techniques of the left, the only solution now is to enact martial Law. Only then can our great country start to grow again. I'm sure our great leader, George Bush, will exceed the standards set forth by other great leaders such as Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez and Vladimir Putin. "

Harsch wrote on Nov 3, 2008 12:27 PM:

" Sadly, I have to come to the conclusion that this blog has been an exercise in futility. I began writing in because it came to my notice through a couple friends, but they are still friends and still sane. They are 'opposed' by extraordinarily warped people who have absolutely no sense of American (U.S.) right and wrong, no grasp of truth or its importance, no regard for integrity and no instinct that recoils at its absence, no understanding of the world as it truly exists in comportment (if strained) with the U.S. They are a lunatic fringe, one hopes, but there are simply too many of them for one region for me to have any long term hope for the U.S. Too many sick folk, and they're outbreeding the rest. "

Insanity thy name is Michael Welch wrote on Nov 3, 2008 12:26 PM:

" Dont be too sure. As even Bowers points out, it is a very real possibility. "

Michael Welch Makes My Red Eyes BLUE... wrote on Nov 3, 2008 12:14 PM:

" Obviously the 'usual suspects' of the religious right who comment here are already hunkering down, expecting a McCain defeat -- and in Wisconsin that defeat IS apparently going to be of 'landslide' proportions but the 'experts' say to watch Pennsylvania and North Carolina. If the Quaker 'Penn's Woods' stays blue then the Big O will likely hold the '04 Kerry states; if NC goes blue then the landslide could well be of national, not just Wisconsin-wide, dimensions. See too if Elizabeth Doles topples in NC though the vote in Alaska you probably won't get until well past midnight: will 'Uncle Ted' and his $27,000 'rented' chair go down at last? So GOPpers -- fasten your seat belts; re: Bette Davis 'it's gonna be a BUMP-y ride'... "

Jeff wrote on Nov 3, 2008 12:09 PM:

" Martial law? Nonsense. Get a grip on reality. Welch, your 'trading places' comment seems harmless enough but don't let the PC police catch you saying it.... "

Bowers to Izzy wrote on Nov 3, 2008 12:02 PM:

" You know it would great if there weren't any polls and we all just voted with ballots that have a paper trail, and not electronic voting machines. But the polls are here to stay, and are an indicator of the preference of the voters. Other indicators are the huge Obama crowds and the smaller crowds of McCain. So it will be President Obama, unless Bush steals it for McCain. If it's stolen, it'll be the electronic voting machines that get it done. "

harsch wrote on Nov 3, 2008 11:58 AM:

" Coage: If you think it likely that Obama will win and you think that martial law is preferable, then, yes, you seem to be calling for martial law. In any case, even bringing up martial law is cause enough to conclude you are dangerously demented.
To someone else: Embarrassingly dumb? Just consider she thinks the U.S.is at war with Iran. "

To Bowers wrote on Nov 3, 2008 11:39 AM:

" It could indeed happen. It is smart of you to not celebrate and relax like most of the libs until, as you say, January 21st. But it is not because Bush has no respect for the Constitution, but because he has too much love and respect for this country than to let Obama ruin it. Martial law isnt something conservatives "wish on the liberals". If martial law is declared, it is declared on all of us-liberal, conservative, independent. We are all in this together. "

Michael Welch President Franklin D Roosevelt Jones... wrote on Nov 3, 2008 11:36 AM:

" This 'martial law' silliness is yet another hyperventilated anti-Obama rag; that's NOT going to happen. 'PRESIDENT Obama' as I've pointed out is actually REQUIRED by 'the system' in order to implement the bailout with the least political drag; PLUS the next year is going to be VERY ROUGH economically and Obama will bear the political burden of a declining economy eventually so 'trading places' party wise is hardly as wrenching as it appears at the moment. Obama of course could be a very capable president all in all but that remains to be seen. How LIBERAL would he be? The downturn will shape that; i. e., like FDR, he'll be as LIBERAL as he NEEDS to be... "

Jeff wrote on Nov 3, 2008 11:28 AM:

" The media will call this election by 6 pm Tues night, try to tell us it's over, then they can suppress voter turnout. They'll probaby start calling states before 30% of the precincts report in. If things should go the way of McCain and it looks like he has a shot at winning, they'll spin it the other way, call numbers inconclusive, baffling, erroneous. Keith Olberman will stroke out on the air, his last words will probably get bleeped out. Hannity will wet himself, Colmes won't get to say much at all, as usual. "

To Yo wrote on Nov 3, 2008 10:57 AM:

" Obama and many, many others have proven he was born in the US. Factcheck.org has had this story since June. Your claims about Obama's birth are complete bunk and you know it. Incomprehensively stupid and mean-spirited people such as yourself will be the downfall of this great country. Oh yes, and Jimmy, I think Obama will win but Democrats will only get 57 or 58 in the Senate. "

Michael Welch Born On That August Day In Ohio... wrote on Nov 3, 2008 10:44 AM:

" So yeah I feel a little sorry for the Incredible Shrinking Jawn as per SNL last he's a guy with some qualities and an ability to fun himself. Palin however as 'Bowers' points out is a decidedly mixed bag, obviously galvanizing the religious righties who comment here and who don't really like McCain for himself, but then Palin turned out to serially present herself as 'dippy' re: Couric and in the last few weeks of campaigning as a steady more sinister morph through George Wallace, Spiro Agnew and finally Richard Nixon! (Switch thrown; sparks flash and cackle!) Palin IS the monster Dr McCainstein has 'created' and politically IT'S ALIVE!!! IT'S ALIVE!!! And 'slouching towards Bethlehem' waiting again to be 'born' four years hence?... "

Michael Welch John McCain Of Cornville Arizona... wrote on Nov 3, 2008 10:31 AM:

" McCain by the way has a home (one of uh 'several') NOT in the immediate Sedona area I learned but on the west side of the I-17 which goes north toward the 'high country' of the Mogollon rim and beyond, the 'east side' of the highway at that point looking toward McGuireville. That is, this is nearer the Verde valley and Clarksdale and the nearest little town is called Cornville and was supposed to be named for a Jewish immigrant to the area. The post office submission was for 'CoHnville' (as in Columbia Pictures prez Harry 'King' Cohn eh) but it somehow got mistranslated into 'CoRn' though there are I doubt any corn fields in Cornville -- though there COULD be if you pipe in enough water... "

Allen Coage wrote on Nov 3, 2008 10:21 AM:

" Harsch, re your reference on another blog to my post here, you appear to not grasp the difference between a prediction and a "call to do something"? For example, cagefighter below seems to be predicting an Obama victory, but I doubt that is what he wants. Try to get these 2 concepts straight in your mind, regroup, and come back and share your thoughts with us. Something to consider: As bad as martial law would be, wouldnt it be preferable to an Obama presidency? "

Michael Welch Not Everybody Loved Jefferson After All... wrote on Nov 3, 2008 10:19 AM:

" I've been predicting 350-400 electoral votes for Obama for several weeks now; I believe that will be so. Of course in the 400 range one is talking 'mandate' as per Eisenhower's memoir of his presidency 'Mandate For CHANGE,' as he too wanted to 'change the greatest country in the world' eh but then the right wingy dingy John Birch society DID see Ike as a 'CONSCIOUS agent of the Communist party.' As for the 'filibuster proof' 60 seats in the senate I say Maybe AND I sure hope so! 'PRESIDENT Obama' repels I realize while at the same time inspires but then it has always been so even for Lincoln and FDR and especially for Jack Kennedy; that's politics in America... "

Jeff wrote on Nov 3, 2008 10:16 AM:

" Palin embarassingly dumb? Biden has experience on her no doubt, but he is rather airheaded. I predict Obama wins but no 60 seat majority for the Dems. If McCain wins I'll attribute that to the media slant on the news and polls. I think there are enough people who resent being told who to vote for to affect the outcome. "

Izzy Fabin to Bowers wrote on Nov 3, 2008 10:11 AM:

" So, why even have the election then? Why should anyone go out and vote? According to you, we should just declare the winner based on the polls? Do you really see no problem with your way of thinking? What percentage of eligible voters do you suppose are even contacted by pollsters? The only "obvious" conclusion is unless things go how you want them to, the election is stolen. Its nice to be prepared with a built in excuse, on the off chance things dont go your way. So, good thinking there. "

Jeff wrote on Nov 3, 2008 10:06 AM:

" Polls are only as accurate as the honesty of those who participate and of the pollsters themselves. "

Angry Ernie to Allen wrote on Nov 3, 2008 9:40 AM:

" Come to their senses? Good grief, Allen, don't you realize the Obama supporters hate this country. The only thing they hate more are the troops. Don't talk to me about coming to their senses. They have no senses. All they have is hate. "

Bowers to Allen wrote on Nov 3, 2008 9:31 AM:

" Martial law? It could happen. Bush has demonstrated time and again, he has no respect for the Constitution. I won't rest easy until January 21, 2009 when the Republican vermin have been exterminated from the White House. "

Bowers wrote on Nov 3, 2008 9:26 AM:

" Well, Cagefighter, Obama has consistently lead McCain in most polls by double digits for the last month and a half. If McCain wins tomorrow, the only logical conclusion is that he stole it, just like Bush in 2000 and 2004. "

Yo wrote on Nov 3, 2008 9:25 AM:

" He(Obama) won't prove that he wasn't born in America so his presidency would be illegal. Wouldn't this also prove(if Obama wins) that the guy with the most money won - that the system needs reform? "

Harsch wrote on Nov 3, 2008 9:14 AM:

" Sure, Obama will win unless the majority of centrists and conservatives haven't a grasp of the meaning of martial law, nor care whether there is a war in Iran or Afghanistan. To most liberals I believe it is a relief to have a choice who is both eloquent and level-headed. I think many moderates will sit the election out and many others will have the wit to vote against those who lie insistently, change their positions, and, in the case of Palin especially, are just plain embarrassingly dumb. Obama will therefore likely win in what's called a landslide, and senators like Norm Coleman will find their supporters refusing to come out to the cold. So I agree, Obama, and yes. "

Allen Coage wrote on Nov 3, 2008 9:03 AM:

" Obama supporters can enjoy the time between November 5th and January 19th. Obama may win the election, but sometime before inauguration I predict martial law will be declared and Bush and Palin will be co-leaders until our country comes to its senses and the effects of the kool-aid wear off. "

Lee Bowers wrote on Nov 3, 2008 8:57 AM:

" Perhaps McCain can salvage it after all. Hey, Big Jawn, go into some diner and bawl your head off. Worked for Hillary in New Hampshire. "

Lee Bowers wrote on Nov 3, 2008 8:55 AM:

" Looks like the country turns blue tomorrow. And good riddance to Sarah Palin. Amazing isn't? There are many qualified, decent, intelligent women, who would make a good president, but the two women in Campaign 08 (Hillary and Sarah) were an embarassment to their gender. "

Cagefighter wrote on Nov 3, 2008 8:37 AM:

" My predictions: Yes, Obama will win. Not as sure about the 60 seat majority...maybe yes? Remember, though, if McCain does manage to win, then the election is "stolen" according to Bowers. According to him, because Obama is who he wants, it is a foregone conclusion that he will emerge victorious. Anything going against his prediction is evidence that the fix is in. "

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