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To two thirty three pm poster wrote on Dec 8, 2008 3:44 PM:

" Ok I won't but don't accuse me of lying when I'm not. I DON'T USE A NAME FOR PERSONAL REASONS. Is that better for you? Now, if you want to stop being silly start using YOUR name and stop calling people liars ok? And maybe start adding something to the blog instead of just being argumentive. "

To eleven forty three wrote on Dec 8, 2008 2:33 PM:

" I am not using a name in order to illustrate how silly it is that you dont. You argue with "Ronnie" all the time, yet never use a name yourself. I just wondered why. No need to lie about it or get all bent out of shape. "

To nine o five am poster wrote on Dec 8, 2008 11:43 AM:

" There you go again. Accusing me of lying and yet you don't even post using YOUR name? Are you a hypocrite or what? Where are you going with this? Your not adding ANYTHING to this blog. "

To nine pm wrote on Dec 8, 2008 9:05 AM:

" You didnt answer. That is another lie. All you did was ask me another question. "

To twelve forty seven and five poster who doesnt use a name either wrote on Dec 5, 2008 9:00 PM:

" I answered you on the political lull blog. You sure are confrontational. You must have a lot of time in your life for this kind of thing. "

To To Ronnie wrote on Dec 5, 2008 12:57 PM:

" Reading Comprehension. I didnt ask why you dont use your name. I asked why you dont use a consistent moniker when posting. You can still do that and maintain your privacy. So, enough with the lies. "

To To Ronnie wrote on Dec 5, 2008 12:45 PM:

" Dont be ridiculous. You could use a consistent name (that isnt your own) and still maintain your privacy. "

To Ronnie who may be a woman Gosset wrote on Dec 3, 2008 10:10 PM:

" You don't have to be condescending with me in regard to honesty. You were the one not being honest and you know it. About Rush Limbaugh lying and you using more than one name. As I explained to you on another blog, I don't use my name for personal privacy reasons. I NEVER pretend to be someone else nor more than one person - like you. Also "Ronnie (who may be a woman)", I'm not a stalker, nor a tormentor which you so fondly like to call anyone that calls you out. "

Kizarny wrote on Dec 3, 2008 12:48 PM:

" Michael, you still seem extremely bothered by the use of someones middle name. Why is that? I am never offended when someone uses my middle name(Claude, btw). "

To Bowers wrote on Dec 3, 2008 11:08 AM:

" I didnt realize that about "The Lone Gunman". Though interesting, it is silly to allege Bush and Condi should have known that what was portrayed on a TV show would happen in real life.
If you were to watch some episodes of Prison Break online or rent the DVD's, I dont think you would be disappointed. "

Michael Welch The Odd Whirl Of Barack H O... wrote on Dec 3, 2008 10:57 AM:

" I looked at both that 'Israel' site and another that is sponsored by the Constitution party and the first is a column by a rightist Israeli commentator who continually refers to 'Barack HUSSEIN Obama' (where have we heard THAT before eh!) and the Constitutionalists bemoan the 'end of the constitution' if O is inaugurated -- not something 'Bowers' is troubled with obviously because he already considers the constitution trashed anyway. I don't say that BECAUSE 'rightists' assert something, it MUST be wrong but I still am not convinced by what I have read SO FAR. But is the assertion re: Obama POSSIBLY true? Yes -- 'possibly' but NOT (yet?) 'probably'... "

Bowers wrote on Dec 3, 2008 9:47 AM:

" I don't watch TV anymore except for the Packers...and the way they're playing, that may end soon. This is not elitist on my part because there are some great shows on TV, but in my old age I have no tolerance for commercials...Anyhow, while I'm on the subject..remember how Bush and Condi and the neo-cons all said they had no idea that terrorists would hijack planes and fly them into buildings...well, six months before 9/11, the pilot program of "The Lone Gunman" (an X-Files spinoff) featured a plot where hijackers flew a plane into the World Trade Center. Guess no one was watching in Washington DC "

Ronnie Gossett clarifies wrote on Dec 3, 2008 9:32 AM:

" I have posted under "Ronnie Gossett" and just plain "Ronnie". Never Kizarny or Izzy.
To the person wondering, why dont you post under a consistent name? Or, any name for that matter? You see, its all about honesty. "

To Bowers wrote on Dec 3, 2008 9:22 AM:

" You are right, that is beyond silly of the video is on youtube, but the BBC claims to have lost it. Having said that, I dont think it is reasonable that a lowly street reporter would have been "brought into the fold", so I think the video is evidence of the reporters incompetency as opposed to something more sinister. But, it is interesting.
I am curious as to if you have been watching Prison Break on Mondays, and what you think of it. The storyline involves a huge Government conspiracy. If you have seen it, do you think it is a realistic portrayal of the Government at work? "

The unhealthy Bowers clarifies wrote on Dec 3, 2008 8:35 AM:

" I hate Bush and Cheney; I hate Papa Bush. I hate Bill Clinton. However, I only despise Hillary. And Sarah? Well, Sarah's a liar and a hypocrite, but since she has no chance of becoming president, I don't harbor any ill will. A question. Did her husband ever apologize or give an explanation for wanting to secede from the union? "

Excitable Bowers wrote on Dec 3, 2008 8:28 AM:

" What's interesting here with the citizenship controversy, and let me state unequivocally I don't believe Obama meets the requirements of citizenship, is that this is something the powers that be have to keep Obama in line-to keep him from straying from the imperial agenda. So...change we can believe in...is not going to amount to much. "

Bowers on the BBC wrote on Dec 3, 2008 8:20 AM:

" I do believe the video exists on YouTube and 9/11 conspiracy documentaries. The fact that the BBC claims to have lost it is such a woeful explanation that one would really have to be a fool to believe them. "

Bowers wrote on Dec 3, 2008 8:17 AM:

" Hopped on this thing right away? Well, not really. I just learned of it recently. Phillip Berg, a Hillary supporter, filed his lawsuit back in August. It was dismissed because the judge said he had no standing to bring it, not because his contention that Obama is not a US citizen is false. If Obama had a certified birth certificate, why did he ask the governor of Hawaii to seal his birth certificate? Why has he sealed his records at Columbia and Harvard Law? What's he hiding? "

To Ronnie and Kizarny and Izzy and Ronnie Gosset too wrote on Dec 2, 2008 9:53 PM:

" Why don't you guys (if your not the same person)be honest and just post using one moniker or your real name? Nobody will care, honest. Don't you have enough confidence in yourself? You remind me of a guy named "Krusty" on the other blogs. "

To Lee Bowers wrote on Dec 2, 2008 9:48 PM:

" Why are you getting all excited about this anyway? If your convinced that the truth isn't going to come out then why fret over it? You hopped on this right away without giving it much time or thought. You believe that everything is a conspiracy. You hate Hillary Clinton. You hate Sarah Palin. You hate the Bush's. You hate. You see a pattern here? It's not healthy Lee. "

To Bowers wrote on Dec 2, 2008 1:03 PM:

" What was the BBC's explanation for their reporter claiming a building had collapsed when it was still standing. I mean, even if the tape was "lost", thousands of people viewed it, right? Did anyone tape it? "

Lee Bowers wrote on Dec 2, 2008 12:55 PM:

" The fatal shot that tore off the back of Jack Kennedy's head was fired from the grassy knoll. Interestingly, one of the best pieces of evidence for this is from a commemorative book (as opposed to a conspiracy book) entitled "Four Days"-there's a blow-up of the Mary Moorman polaroid, and you can see the shooter behind the picket fence atop the knoll. Next to him is an accomplice wearing a hard hat. The shooter is the infamous "Badgeman" dressed in police officer clothing. Confirmation of Badgeman would later come from Gordon Arnold, a soldier home on leave, who had wandered in front of the picket fense in hopes of filming JFK in the motorcade. "

Lee Bowers wrote on Dec 2, 2008 12:18 PM:

" Anyone who has faith in the integrity of the CIA and the FBI when it comes to something like the truth about Obama's birth doesn't really understand how those agencies work. "

Bowers to Welch wrote on Dec 2, 2008 12:16 PM:

" No, I still would have voted for Obama had I known he'd been born in Kenya. I mean, gee, we've had an illegitimate president the past 8 years. What's another 4? In an ideal situation, he should step aside and let Biden be president. But, as I stated, nothing will come of this. We are a country with little regard for the truth. "

Bowers to Brian wrote on Dec 2, 2008 12:11 PM:

" Sorry to see you have resorted to name-calling (Jonestowney) instead of addressing the discrepancies regarding Obama's birth. "

Lee Bowers wrote on Dec 2, 2008 12:09 PM:

" Check out "IsraeleNews.Com" for a story posted 10/13/08 for info. on Grandma Sarah, who states she was in the delivery room in Kenya when Obama was born. Apparently, Obama's half-brother and half sister concur that Obama was born in Kenya. His "regular" sister, as opposed to a half-sibling, apparently has stated Obama was born in Kenya and Hawaii. So much for her credibility. "

Lee wrote on Dec 2, 2008 12:05 PM:

" I syand by grandma Sarah's testimony that she didn't meet Obama until he was 6. Of course, she may have been coerced by that guy with a gun pointed at her from that nearby grassy knoll ... "

Lee Bowers wrote on Dec 2, 2008 11:21 AM:

" I stand by Grandma Sarah's testimony that she witnessed the birth of Obama in Kenya. She was quite sure about it. As to the BBC, that's the news organization whose reporter told her audience on 9/11 that Building 7 had collapsed, with Building 7 standing uncollapsed in the background. The BBC would later claim it had lost the tape of this extraordinary performance, a clear indication of foreknowledge on the part of the media. "

One more thing... wrote on Dec 2, 2008 11:20 AM:

" .....like the CIA, FBI or any other huge investigative-protective body in the US wouldn't quickly expose such a clear violation of the Constitution.

We all have our windmills....real and perceived.

BGS "

Dear Bowers wrote on Dec 2, 2008 11:18 AM:

" Give it up.....you're looking 'postal' dude....Jonestowney.

Baracks G-ma didn't see him til he was 6.

Where was McCain born, BTW?

BrianGSmith "

By the way Lee wrote on Dec 2, 2008 11:03 AM:

" Birth certificates in Hawaii, by law, are not public record. They are only released to family. The Governor didn't "order it to be sealed." she just reiterated the law. Obama did, in fact, release a copy of his birth certificate. However, you nuts just won't believe anything but the product of your feverish dreams. "

Michael Welch Obama Of Mombasa -- Jambo Bwana... wrote on Dec 2, 2008 10:58 AM:

" Well here we are back in the saddle again with the ever ongoing Mystery of the Missing Birth Certificate. I ask 'Bowers' -- he makes a number of statements without reference -- WHERE does THIS info come from and I ask just out of curiosity for the latest Big O controversy as 'LB' stated below will 'go nowhere' because as per 2000 we gots ar prezydend an' we gots ta live wit' him now -- especially 'Bowers' who plumped for Obama rather determinedly. So I'll also ask him: do you regret your vote for Obama of Mombasa now? Would you have voted say McKinney if you'd to do it over? And what more is there to say than that this too shall NOT 'pass' away from this blog?... "

LeeLee Lee wrote on Dec 2, 2008 10:18 AM:

" I posted a link to a youtube video last night (sorry Jimmy) that shows Obama's grandmother saying she first met him when he was six years old. The video you want people to look at uses an ambiguous translation and then puts a bunch of "don't go in the closet" music underneath it. It is just another spurious hack job by some, probably, right-wing conspiracy nut. The video I reference was produced by the BBC. "

To Ronnies Stalker wrote on Dec 2, 2008 10:09 AM:

" Obviously it does matter-to Harsch. Why dont you run along now? Forget about Ronnie-give your weary brain a rest. I promise-you will feel better. "

To To Kizarny wrote on Dec 2, 2008 9:53 AM:

" I dont get your post. I checked those blogs...had to go waaaay back...but there is nothing about Ronnie pretending to be Joan...how do you even know Ronnie ISNT a woman? "

Kizarny wrote on Dec 2, 2008 8:40 AM:

" Harsch, I see on the main page that UWL was found guilty of discrimination for hiring a woman over a more qualified man. I suppose you are going to allege that this does not make them sexist? "

Lee Bowers wrote on Dec 2, 2008 7:57 AM:

" On 10/26/08, Hawaii governor Linda Lingle placed the birth certificate of Barack Obama under seal and instructed the Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtained access to the original document. "

Lee Bowers wrote on Dec 2, 2008 7:56 AM:

" According to the Provincial Civil Registrar, Obama was born to Ann Dunham on 8/4/61 in a hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. "

Bowers wrote on Dec 2, 2008 7:29 AM:

" Placing an ad in a newspaper is not proof of anything. Obviously, American citizenship is something that Obama's parents would have wanted for him. And, yes, why would Obama's grandmother, Sarah, say she witnessed his birth in Kenya? "

To Kizarny wrote on Dec 2, 2008 7:12 AM:

" It doesn't matter if "Izzy" and "Ronnie" are the same person or not. "Ronnie" has pretended to be others before including a woman. (Joan). (you can check previous blogs such as "HOW WILL DIRECTOR OLIVER STONE and MAYBE YOU WON'T" to find out for yourself). He also doesn't believe Rush Limbaugh lies and thinks you have to "see" a person in order to tell if their lying or not. One thing I know for sure after reading your posts and "Ronnies", your both intellectually dishonest and mean spirited. "Content analysis" tells me so. "

Dear Observation wrote on Dec 2, 2008 2:23 AM:

" Too bad the republican'ts in 2001 didn't get the warning about being tested, huh?

Boy, what a failure they turned out to be.....9 months to prepare and still allowed the most heinous attack on US territory.

Ever been to Mumbai? Thought not. Tell us all how Obama, 2 months before the inauguration, is supposed to protect Mumbai on the other side of the globe?

BGS "

From To further wrote on Dec 1, 2008 5:57 PM:

" I don't think so ... but then again it doesn't comment on a youtube video I just watched (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UreJZMY_2IY) where she says she first met him when he was 6 years old on a visit. Can you explain that discrepancy? "

Kizarny wrote on Dec 1, 2008 5:00 PM:

" Harsch, you just stated that people in favor of affirmative action are not racist. That right there is proof that you dont understand what racism is. So, if you are racist(which you are if you favor affirmative action), you would be unaware anyway. So, just run along. "

To Further wrote on Dec 1, 2008 3:38 PM:

" Does fact check say why Obamas grandmother, Sarah, said she witnessed Obamas birth in Kenya? "

harsch wrote on Dec 1, 2008 3:37 PM:

" dear Uncly, so far the other side is beating you.--that is up to 2:34 p.m. Remember that at the beginning of the thinking about 911 there was the question 'Who stands to gain?' In this case, Hillary stood to gain as much as Obama and it really is hardly likely that such an easy knockout opportunity was overlooked. Still, on the 'evidence' presented today your belief seems to be unfounded...so far... "

harsch to kizarny wrote on Dec 1, 2008 3:34 PM:

" I'll let you punch yourself out of that wet bag. "

harsch wrote on Dec 1, 2008 3:28 PM:

" Fabin, you are a liar and only as savvy as you think you are on the Fabin scale of savvy. I never discussed Obama's skin versus his qualifications, and my argument regarding whether or not those in favor of affirmative action are racist (they are not, of course) was never answered by you or anybody else. And anyone who read anything about my students and still writes that we are homeless is supra-inane most of all, but moreso, your leitmotif, dishonest. Unless, of course, that is YOUR brand of humor--it hardly serves as an attack. Even calling me racist is hardly an attack given your audience. "

Further ... wrote on Dec 1, 2008 2:34 PM:

" Obama's family was so sure of his future ability that they placed a birth annoumcement in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961? There is a picture of that on the FactCheck site too. Wait, wait, I know ... someone FAKED the ad, placed it in an old looking newspaper and stuck it in a library, where they KNEW some enterprising reporter would find it. Right? As Factcheck says: "Of course, it's distantly possible that Obama's grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat." "

Did you read the website wrote on Dec 1, 2008 2:17 PM:

" Let's look at what thesite says ...1. "Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate." Further, FactCheck quite convincingly shows the certificate to be real. The hospital HAS to file the birth certificate for this version to be made. It quite clearly states the time and place of birth. There is NO bogeyman in the closet ... move on. "

Lee Bowers wrote on Dec 1, 2008 1:21 PM:

" This is the beauty of the Internet in action. Sifting and winnowing in an effort to get to the truth. No wonder the government wants to exercize more control. The Internet is a threat to the illusions the government wants us to embrace. "

Bowers wrote on Dec 1, 2008 1:10 PM:

" More info: A Certificate of Live Birth, which is what is shown on the Fact Check site, is a document that does not list the location of birth. In Hawaii it is issued within a year of a child's birth to those who register a birth abroad or one that takes place outside a hospital. Also, it was Obama's grandmother, Sarah, on the YouTube video, sying she witnessed Obama's birth in Kenya. "

Bowers with more Info. wrote on Dec 1, 2008 1:00 PM:

" The Fact Check information provides a Certificate of Live Birth, not a Birth Certificate. The former can be filed without any proof tht Obama was born in Hawaii. Also, there is a video on YouTube of Obama's grandmother saying Obama was born in Kenya. Finally, Phillip Berg, who filed a lawsuit on the matter, is also someone who filed a lawsuit against Bush for the Families of 9/11 victims contending that Bush was complcit in the attacks. That gives him credibility, at least in my eyes. "

Observation wrote on Dec 1, 2008 12:26 PM:

" Werent people laughed at when they gave credence to the VP-elect's(that would be Biden)comments that if Obama was elected, there would be worldwide, widespread terrorist attacks? Now, look at Mumbai, and we are only at the beginning. This Presidency is going to be a disaster.
To answer Welchs question, Obamas grandmother claimed he was born in Kenya. How much weight her statement warrants is up to each person to decide, but one wonders: Why would she lie? "

Kizarny wrote on Dec 1, 2008 12:02 PM:

" So, which is it Harsch? Are Izzy and Ronnie the same person, or is Ronnie non-existent? Content analysis would show that you are contradicting yourself. "

Michael Welch The Birth Of Venus On The Cockleshell... wrote on Dec 1, 2008 11:59 AM:

" I looked at the Fact Check site and the material there seems convincing to me. Again IF the skeptics are saying that Obama was born in Kenya WHERE is the proof for THAT assertion? Indeed WHERE is the proof that he was born ANYWHERE else but in Honolulu? I challenge those skeptics to answer MY questions about the grandmother, Obama's mother's 'visa to Kenya,' a Kenyan record, a physician etc. Again I iterate: such as Jim Marrs and David Ray Griffin have provided EXTENSIVE information and analysis re: the Kennedy assassination and 9-11 but I see ONLY undocumented allegations in this birth certificate 'caper'... "

Lee Bowers wrote on Dec 1, 2008 11:42 AM:

" Sorry, but you have failed to address the questions I brought up. My suspicion is that the birth certificate you mention is a fake. Again, why did Obama ask the governor of Hawaii to seal his birth certificate so others couldn't see it? Why did he seal his records at Columbia and Harvard Law? Why is his birth not recorded in a Hawaiian hospital? Give me answers to those questions. By the by, nothing will come of this, but I figure it's always good to try to discern the truth on important matters. "

To Bowers wrote on Dec 1, 2008 10:56 AM:

" Here is a website with actual photos of a birth certificate: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Please get on with your life. Get over these moronic conspiracy theories. Whatever good points you may have are discounted by people like me because of your feverish imagination that sees plots and intrigue around every (usually non-existent) corner. "

Michael Welch The Weird Wonderful World Of Conspiracy... wrote on Dec 1, 2008 10:33 AM:

" I too respect Marrs' work especially re: the JFK assassination but I've also raised on the 'Thanksgiving' Jim blog in particular what I believe are pertinent questions that need answering too. I've written too that the Obama birth certificate flap provides yet another right wing approach to Obama as 'strange,' 'mysterious,' not 'one of us' but it appears more and more in his political behavior that he is indeed 'one of them,' i. e., the establishment. And what or who would he be 'replaced' with? As per a purposed impeachment and removal of W, his veep, that man of uh 'radical change' Joe Biden. What's the point I keep wondering... "

harsch wrote on Dec 1, 2008 9:58 AM:

" Dear Rizzy, you wouldn't believe some of the things I spend 15 minutes on, but no, yield is not one of the many many words; and you may not know this but scientific content analysis can all but prove that the two of you are the same--to within 5 percent or so, which means I cannot say with absolute certainty that you are the same, but certainly can say that if you are not then you should each take individuality lessons. You wouldn't believe the difference that individual freedom makes in a life. "

Izzy Fabin wrote on Dec 1, 2008 9:56 AM:

" What Ronnie said. Ronnie, I love you too, man.
Harsch, I want to clarify something. I see you somewhat yielded on the other blog by saying your accusation against me as humor, but something else you said leads me to believe you are not completely savvy. You compared that accusation to me accusing you of making racist comments. The difference, my dear brother, is that I built a case for you being racist, using as evidence your support for affirmative action(which is racist, whether the PC crowd would have you believe that or not), and by focusing on Obamas race rather than his qualifications. If you disagree with these conclusions, or if it was someone posting under your name that you an your students are homeless, then argue the points like an adult rather than resorting to this uhhhhh....humor. "

Bowers to dearest nephew Richard wrote on Dec 1, 2008 9:24 AM:

" My assumption is that Hillary was unaware of Obama's questionable citizenship, or she would have brought it up and won the nomination. As to McCain, he was probably told NOT to bring it up, as the Empire had already determined Obama would carry the imperial banner. I suggest you re-read the article by Joel Skousen on Jim Marrs' website. You know, I could be wrong on this. I am not infallible, but there are questions that need answering. "

Ronnie Gossett wrote on Dec 1, 2008 8:58 AM:

" Let me put an end to the speculation(the fact Harsch would spend EVEN 15 minutes on this says something, but I am not sure what...). Me and Izzy are not the same person, but I do know Izzy and have lots of love and respect for him. Izzy is a good and decent man. Considering that you once argued I am not real, and now seem to have changed that to the idea I am someone else, one could look at this as you unfairly maligning Izzy, by declaring HE isnt real(that is, if we are the same person, and I am not real, he would not be real either). Anyhoo, Izzy is a wonderful human being and, I assure you, very real. Please "yield"(is that the word you meant?)and accept his offer of peace. "

harsch wrote on Dec 1, 2008 8:27 AM:

" The rapidity with which my Uncle Lee assumes a new truth (Obama ineligible, media coverup) is astonishing. If there was anything to it, I doubt Obama would have survived the Clinton campaign intact, and then the McCain campaign. Which interests so coalesce in opposition to both Clinton and McCain that they would spread their tentacles throughout the bureaucratic world and blot out the truth about Obama's citizenship? This defies logic, belief, and every conceivable understanding of contemporary empire politics. Worst, it does harm to the more believable cases that Uncle Lee has to make, as one begins to feel that if it were reported that Obama had a carbuncle on his privates Uncle Lee would be crying out for his medical reports. "

Bowers to Welch wrote on Dec 1, 2008 8:05 AM:

" The cover-up by the media of Obama's questionable citizenship confirms your point that Obama was the choice of the establishment all along...though Hillary was their first choice. "

Bowers to Welchs initial posting wrote on Dec 1, 2008 8:02 AM:

" Yes, Marrs is a hero to me. An honest writer who's priority is the truth. I've read his books on JFK, aliens, secret societies, and 9/11. Valuable information to be found in them. Now, he's raising questions on Obama's citizenship. Seems to me, Obama ought to be providing some answers. "

Lee Bowers wrote on Dec 1, 2008 7:44 AM:

" I don't get it. What's wrong with people purchasing guns, especially in the times we live in. Seems to me that we are in uncharted waters with the economy on the brink of chaos. As for conviscation of guns...well, at this time it's unlikely, but who knows what the future holds. Never the trust the government on anything. "

harsch to welch wrote on Dec 1, 2008 5:08 AM:

" Knowing your fondness for manbeasts, menchildren, and various other combos of the last gasps of dying subspecies, I thought I should alert you to the very real possibility that 'Izzy' and 'Ronnie' are one 'person'. Without giving too much away, I'll just suggest you look briefly at word choice. Then if you want to go farther, as a son of Sig should, look at the way 'they' speak of each 'other'. This is quite fascinating as an example of what the blog forum sucks out of the darker forests of community. Still, I don't suggest spending more than fifteen minutes on it. "

Get the question right wrote on Nov 30, 2008 9:57 PM:

" The issue is not that Obama is going to actually take away guns that are already owned. The issue is what guns he plans to further restrict people from legally owning. This is not some right-wing phobia, Obama has declared it. And we are not talking about bazookas, either. Go ahead and keep coming up with the extremes to help make you feel better, Jimmy, but the day may come very soon that the only gun you or anyone else can legally purchase is a pellet gun. Won't that be fun trying to hunt with?

There is no question if Obama will restrict gun ownership, well, unless it is one of the many 'promises' he campaigned on that won't actually come to pass - like lower taxes for the 'middle class' and bringing soldiers homw from Iraq in 9 months. "

Michael Welch Obamastein... wrote on Nov 30, 2008 2:00 PM:

" Looking over the ongoing controversy of the 'mysterious' missing? forged? birth certificate I've put some questions and made some observations on Jimmy's 'Thanksgiving day' blog. I note that 'Bowers' appears to have embraced the accusation and on another Jim blog raises pertinent questions also; can someone answer them? However I fear the issue is to remain in the 'conspiratorist' netherworld unless a 'David Ray Griffin' emerges with solid analysis and research. At times one yes 'picks yer conspiracy an' pays yer price' -- this I imagine may become the equivalent of the 1930s right wingers' accusations that FDR had syphilis and his name was actually 'Rosenfeld,' i. e., he was a crypto-Jew in league with the communist run world wide banking system!... "

Michael Welch The Obama McCain Administration... wrote on Nov 30, 2008 1:20 PM:

" You know I don't even think the Obama administration is going to raise taxes on POOR ol' 'Joe the plumber' et. al.; in effect I believe he will keep the Bush cuts in place for the length of the recession at least, perhaps cutting them more for that 'middle' he kept mentioning. In other words I doubt the Obama 'plan' will be any more uh 'socialist' than John McCain's would have. In fact the apparently rather 'cozy' meeting between the two points to a confluence of policies re: the warS, taxes, the environment AND immigration which may be McCain's next attempt at his 'legacy.' So where does a national health care program come in you ask? Well WHERE does it? Good question!... "

To Of Course Not wrote on Nov 29, 2008 10:56 PM:

" Yes, we should have asked the NRA with help in the bailout of our nations auto companies. All they would have had to do is just threaten the American people with "The Democrats are going to take away our gas guzzlers". Those things would just be flying off the lot's. Ah, yes, the strength of the NRA. "

Of course not wrote on Nov 29, 2008 7:19 PM:

" They will just raise taxes and fees to the hilt, so you can't afford guns or ammo, and try to put the manufacturers out of busines as well as regulate what kind or strength of ammo they will be allowed to manufacture until most of you will decide it just ain't worth it between the cost and the ineffectiveness of the ammo. And then they will be pretty much free to pass whatever laws they want regarding gun ownership. They aren't dumb enough to go up against the present strength of the NRA. "

Eddie wrote on Nov 29, 2008 5:16 PM:

" The probability of the federal government taking away our legally-owned guns is about as high as their quartering soldiers in our homes. I hope that answers the question.....LOL.... "

Michael Welch Bill Clinton As The Drover -- Movin Movin Movin... wrote on Nov 29, 2008 12:58 PM:

" I wonder, approximately, just WHEN Saturday comments get posted? Much later it seems than weekdays but today there's a NEW Jim blog so I was hoping the posting would come uh 'sooner rather than --' hmm? Oh and I read the Christy Lemire review of 'Australia' the trailer of which I saw when waiting for 'W' a few weeks ago and I can see that what I gleaned from the trailer (trailers ARE VERY helpful I find) is true -- this IS a BIG romance against a backdrop of EPIC history a la 'Doctor Zhivago' albeit less profound apparently. (It's 'Gone With The Outback'?) However I do believe the comely Ms Kidman may be WELL EMPLOYED to uh 'entice' Bill Clinton to become ambassador to Aus huh? I wish Obama would take MY advice on this ONE matter at least -- would Lady Hills back me? Oh I think so!... "

Michael Welch Obama As The Great McGinty Hmm... wrote on Nov 29, 2008 12:32 PM:

" The main question re: Obama's citizenship ought to be 'why' -- i. e., why WOULD the authorities, 'the system' as I put it, protect him so (IF it is) IF he were not now, as I've been saying for some time, their actual 'choice' this last election? In THAT context I could understand -- and indeed Obama's recent and so far 'unconfirmed' appointments of Hillary Clinton at state and all the other Clintonites and even Reaganesques augur for much LESS 'change' and much MORE continuity, in particular re: the Gates reappointment (Bushite!) as sec'y of the warS. 'Cui bono?' as conspiatorists like to (properly) query: militant disarmers of Wisconsin deer hunters? Crypto and not so crypto soshies? Same sexers lusting to 'make it legal'? Don't look like that to me -- looks like the empire strikes back all along and what a 'surprise attack' hmm... "

BrianGSmith wrote on Nov 29, 2008 12:21 PM:

" Well Jimmy...you just highlighted one of the over-bleated phantom enemy ejaculations that the 'right wing' cyclically 'cry wolf' over.

What they hell do they eat for breakfast to attain such magnificent heights of garment soiling paranoia? "

Michael Welch Last Train To Gun Hell Er Hill... wrote on Nov 29, 2008 11:24 AM:

" Well of course the confiscation of private citizens' LEGALLY ACQUIRED 'weaponry' is NOT going to happen; it's completely unnecessary as the federal government (Repub ruled or Demo dominated -- machts nichts) is more than capable of maintaining its power against Ruby Ridgers, Waco compounds etc., as it 'just' kills them while the general populace (of gunowners too) cheers it on while doing so. The burning of women, children and non-combatants, the shooting of a pregnant mother, didn't matter to Chuck Heston or NRAers in particular as I recall. But anti-Obama phantasms are rife for MONTHS now and even 'Bowers' and his hero Jim Marrs have succumbed it seems so this current fantasy re: your late lamented '22' appears 'expected.' Good for the gun sellers in an 'off season'; guess THEY haven't suffered a recession eh... "

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